Syntheblock - Carb/Fat Blocker

[Mr.Huge]

How much chitosan is in this product per serving does anyone know. Im currently taking a product with 1200mg per serving which is actually 3 caspsules. Also does the white kidney bean extract actually block carbs or just help you use them as a energy source rather than allowing your body to store carbs. Any info is greatly appreaciated I may give it a whirl.


Mr.Huge

[bigkraut]

I'd like to try it. Has anybody tried it? What did ya think?

[need4speed]

ooooh, look at the 3 names all in a row..this has to be scary for some.lol yeah i was wondering about it too, and also that injectable stuff that they sell that is supposed to increase the metabolism

[bigkraut]

Yeah, we're the nWo (new Weird odor). lol.

[NAPALM1]

Chitosan is one of the worst subliments a BBer can take. We need fat in our diet when cutting carbs for energy, and for muscle growth. 25% of my daily food intake consists of different kinds of fats and fatty acids. Although it seems to make sence that our bodies store fats as fat, its not true. As long as you are not eating enormous amounts of animal fats, and not eating a ton of carbs, fat that is consumed is used as an energy source! If you remove both carbs and fat from your diet, either by not eating them or using suppliments to block or eliminate them, your body uses the only other source it has for energy...PROTIEN! This is exactly the opposite of what we want to acheive when trying to keep our bodies in an anabolic state. Your body will eventually start using stored protien for energy when it is needed. There is only one place for your body to get this stored protien, from your muscles. This is called catabolism! The carb blockers I just recently started researching, but from what I have seen up to now, they aren't very reliable and it would be easier to just lower carb intake in your diet to begin with. Later

[Mr.Huge]

what about this theory though. If Im eating some foods that have animal fats in them that I dont want or other fats etc. The chitosan should bind to these fats at 3 times its weight ( ultra Chitosan (1200mg per serv.) I use 2 servings at a time. Generally speaking thats what its said to do for you anyway. If im not right correct me please.

You would need to take the chitosan before you eat your meal because it has to be disolved in your stomach acids before it works.

Well I am also supplemeting with flax oil & fish oils when Im not taking the chitosan. Those oils are the ones im trying to keep while dieting for enrgy etc.

Does the chitosan after binding to whatever fat it does stay in you system all that long. Or would it simply bind to the fat & do its job.

Would I just be wasting my flax & fish oils Im supplementing with chitosan even if they are very spread apart?

Would this seem logical being that chitosan is a dietary fiber that will simply help eliminate bad fats if used properly? (Not all ofcourse but whatever it binds to.

Does this not sound logical logical?



Mr.Huge

[NAPALM1]

If you are eating red meat one time a day, you will be fine without chitosan. Buy lean beef and cut away the fat from the edges before its cooked. Fat from red meat is really the only fat you need to worry about, and as long as you are not eating greasy, fatty meat like bacon, you don't need chitosan to begin with. Very few meats actually have more than 25% fat, and Fish and poultry are not full of "bad" fats anyway. Chitosan will remove fatty acids as well as animal fat. So, Flax, Primrose oil, and fish oils will be removed also if the chitosan is still active in your stomach or intestines. Fat is very imortant to BBers, that is why diets like the CKD and the anabolic diet are so widely used. Chitosan was developed for obese people that have no will power and can not stop eating, not for BBers or fitness enthusiasts. You would be much better off doing a little more cardio to burn fat calories than take a chance with chitosan IMHO. Personally, I don't worry about my fat intake much at all. I am only concerned with getting enough protien and what my carb intake is. I use a diet of 50% protien, 25% carbs and 25% fats to maintain, and just do more cardio when I want to cut. I cut a few carbs from that when cutting hard, but I leave my fat intake at 25% no matter what. I honestly feel it is much better to monitor your diet and eat the right things, than use suppliments to remove any nutrients from your system during digestion. You know exactly what you are getting, and it can be altered if needed. There is absolutely no way to monitor what chitosan is removing, so you really have no idea what needs to be altered when trying to acheive your goals while using it. Not to mention getting lazy and eating crap, and depending on suppliments like chitosan or carb blockers can become a bad habit. Later

[Mr.Huge]

I understand what chitsan does. However maybe I was'nt very clear on what I want to know. Basically I want to know is if I use chitosan will it still be active in my system after I have eating say 2-3 meals after my one time a day serving of it? My diet mainly consists of meats & grenn veggies along with maybe brown rice & sweet potatoes when dieting. A piece of fruit after workout but other than that protein shakes galor..

Can I use it to cheat on my dieting. Basically saying can I use it in moderations with say if I want to dip my grilled chicken into some ranch dressing or something. Will this bind to the fat in the ranch dressing so that I dont have to eat so clean. Than after it bind to the fat in that meal will it go through the digestive process & be eliminated with the fat it binds to?

I dont have a bf% problem. Just a problem eating the same shit over & over again when dieting. lol...Im looking for a cheat & lean route....get me

See I was thinking that most of the chitosan would be processed through the digestive system & then basically inout your body after binding to whatever fat it could cary in the process. Therefore I could supplement my other fats I wanted in my diet.

Anyone? Big A, Ry Willk??



Mr.Huge

[Paul Bunyan]

The people I know that are using it, use it on their cheat days. They have reported no additional weight gain in spite of eat enormous amounts of carbs. PB

[bigkraut]

How about G.I. distress? I've heard that the prescription fat blockers will seriously tear up your gut if you don't keep to a low fat diet while on the med.

[NAPALM1]

Its my understanding that chitosan is only active through one digestive cycle. Approx 2 hours with a regular meal. I don't know how acurate all the different chitosan products are though. If you used it in moderation so you could have a meal with a lot of fat in it, you would probably be fine. As long as you don't use it all the time and don't come to depend on it as a daily "crutch" , so you can just eat like crap. I will say this. I love ranch dressing, especially on chicken and salad. Occasionaly I eat it, even when I am cutting, although I know I shouldn't, lol. The low fat ranch tastes like shit, so I won't even eat it. I don't really think a little ranch on your chicken is enough to even worry about the fat content though, its the calories that are the killer. There is 100 cals in 2 tbls of ranch, 6 grams of carbs, and 8 grams of fat, but only .05 grams of those fats are saturated. So eating it in a meal with chicken isn't that bad, as long as you don't do it all the time, and you watch your carb intake for that meal also. I don't see any reason you can't experiment with chitosan for the purposes you intend on. I was just making you aware of how important fat is in your diet, as far as BBing goals are anyway. Just so you know, I am a certified fitness trainer and sports nutritionist. Diet is 75% of BBing, and I take my diet very seriously. I just don't like suppliments that alter the contents of what I eat. I would have no way of closely monitoring my nutritional intake if I used them, and that isn't going to help me attain my goals. If I eat something I know is higher in cals than I should, I do more cardio. 3 tbls of ranch=1/2 hour of extra cardio, 2 pieces of toast with butter for breakfast= 1/2 hour of extra cardio. When you look at it like that, doesn't look so bad, untill you are on the EFX and the treadmill for 2 hours and you only needed 1/2 hour before eating a couple extra things with a couple meals, lol. Later

[Mr.Huge]

We both like ranch on our chicken breasts....lol

Sweet so we have something in common. I am a certified strength trainer & also certified in the principles of health & fitness. Was a certified personal trainer but have'nt kept up on the certification the last few years. Take care & thanks for the advice. Good to hear you are serious about your diet. Everyone shuould be it will pay of in the long hall. No matter what bodytype ya are...


Mr.Huge

[Big A]

I am not sure how much chitosan is in the Syntheblock. It's listed on the website. Also, it blocks the absorbtion of carbs. I personally love how it kills the bloat from eating thanks to the digestive enzymes in it.

Syntheblock - the way I look at it, it's a God send. If it allows me to have a crap meal when I diet, bring it on! That's pretty much it's use. I am sure that you can't eat bad every single meal and rely on the syntheblock to see you through. But for a cheat meal, in a diet, it's perfect. Also, a lot of competition diets, in certain phases, do not allow ANY carbs or fats (who said anything about a balanced or healthy diet??). For that purpose, it's a great product!

Regarding this thing whether it's moraly wrong or not to do a diet this way or whether it's the principle of it... first of all, I didn't get my pro card by doing things in the gym or with my diet, gear, etc that are morally or principally correct. Actually, as a whole, my life is not 'correct', whatever that may be. If I can find a way that I can get something done by 'cheating' the system, or not folowing principles or getting someone else to do it for me, with minimal effort from my behalf, good for me!
This is off the track, but I became institutionally wealthy for the first time by the age of 25, using other people to do the work for me. Do I regret that??? Do I wish that I would rather have done it breaking my own back? Hell no!!! Same principle applies with the diets - if I can get the same results, 'cheating' by using a compound that does the work for me, that is fantastic, as there is one less thing to worry about in my life and I can concentrate on something else. If I can take a product which allows me to cheat my diet, or take a diuretic which allows me to get dry without controlling my water or take a steroid which allows me to grow by slacking off in my training or diet, then why should I not choose the easier path to reach my goals? Will I not have as much satisfaction? Of ocurse I will, because not only I reached my goals but I also had time/energy/etc to achieve other things, which a person not choosing my path would be unable to do so.

[Mr.Huge]

Now thats more along the type of response I was looking for. Just what Im looking to do. Cheat a little. Thanks BigA

No offense Napalm your info was well appreacited as well. Just not exactly what I was looking for. I think Big A got my point a little better.

The white kidney bean than block the carbs & fat as well correct? Does it actually like make them go through the digestive system or does it convert to energy or how exactly does it work. Do they bind to the white kidney bean as they do the chitosan?


Mr.Huge

[NAPALM1]

Hey, my wife brought home a low cal ranch dressing that doesn't taste like crap last night. Its called Just 2 Good by Wishbone. Its not as thick as regular ranch, but it does have a good taste. Its only got 40 cals in 2 tbls, 2 grams of fat, and 5 grams of carbs. Much better than regular ranch! Later

[bigkraut]

I can relate to what Big A is saying. We in the strength sport pursuit are often accused of being myopic. As if all we have time for in our lives is eating, sleeping and training. In many cases, that's true. The total commitment and dedication that's required by this lifestyle can be hard for anyone, especially those of us who have to juggle jobs, families, and a ton of other stuff with this endeavor. If you can lay your hands on anything that can make this task a little easier, then go for it. Being able to free up time for other things is something that most of us could appreciate.