short or long esters for site injecrtions?

LATS · #1 (**permalink**) 03-21-2002, 01:40 AM

o kay, i have heard two types of theorys regarding this subject. one says that long esters will work better since the oil will stay in the muscle longer. others say that you need to use very short term like suspension and tren since the short term esters will effect the "muscle directly" by giving the muscle first dibbs on the components. lets hear it ya all!!! :help:

willk · #2 (**permalink**) 03-21-2002, 01:50 AM

IMO i say No ester gear is best. the enzymes that remove the ester are (98%) found in the blood stream, so the gear has to leave the injection site to have the ester removed, and making the gear 'active. in my opinion, the size gains from ester attached gear is just the normal swelling associated with the shot. i may be wrong, and this is debatable. winny was the best site inj that i ever tried. for permanent size, it was the best. sus250 was the best for a quick boost, but was ALL gone after the swelling went down.

xcelbeyond · #3 (**permalink**) 03-21-2002, 01:50 AM

Hey Lats (w)
The only theory I've heard (and it makes sense) is that ester-less or short esters like suspension, winny and fina will be assimilated at the muscle that's being injected. Other esters get absorbed into the bloodstream.

xcelbeyond/t\

Big A · #4 (**permalink**) 03-21-2002, 02:26 AM

Any esterless gear will cause direct muscle gain where you inj. The oil based gear - no matter how long the chain is on it, it's not long enough to cause fascial stretching. Any temp gains from it is due to the inflamation caused.

LATS · #5 (**permalink**) 03-21-2002, 02:27 AM

HEY XCEL, WHAT UP?
one thing that i heard a pro say that gave a seminar and signing at the gym i own is "if site injecting gear worked, we all would have asses so big we could not make it through the door" not saying he is right but, laughed my ass off nonetheless. ROTFLMAO

NAPALM1 · #6 (**permalink**) 03-21-2002, 03:11 AM

Injecting an AAS in a muscle will not make that muscle grow because of the anabolic properties of the steroid injected. All AAS has to be absorbed into your blood stream where it attaches to SHBG and albumin. Then it is released in extremely small amounts and is able to interact with cellular receptors in all muscles throughout your body. Only 2-3% of testosterone (and other AAS) are ever in a free state at any given time and are able to act on a cellular level with receptors. Site injecting AAS is the same idea as using site enhancement oils like PnP, Syntherol, etc. Injecting into a muscle will cause the facia to stetch and cause swelling, over time creating more room for inter-muscular growth. The reason winnie and susp work so well is because they actually crystalize in the muscle while it is being absorbed. Even after the active product is absorbed, some of the crystals still remain in the muscle. After several injections in that area, there is a buildup. As the crystals disipate, muscle is able to grow in that area. The other reason Winnie and Susp are used is because to much oil injected into the same spot, to often will cause an oil abscess, which can be extremely dangerous and lead to cellulitis if it gets infected. Later

willk · #7 (**permalink**) 03-21-2002, 03:37 AM

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Originally posted by NAPALM1
Injecting an AAS in a muscle will not make that muscle grow because of the anabolic properties of the steroid injected. All AAS has to be absorbed into your blood stream where it attaches to SHBG and albumin. Then it is released in extremely small amounts and is able to interact with cellular receptors in all muscles throughout your body. Only 2-3% of testosterone (and other AAS) are ever in a free state at any given time and are able to act on a cellular level with receptors. Site injecting AAS is the same idea as using site enhancement oils like PnP, Syntherol, etc. Injecting into a muscle will cause the facia to stetch and cause swelling, over time creating more room for inter-muscular growth. The reason winnie and susp work so well is because they actually crystalize in the muscle while it is being absorbed. Even after the active product is absorbed, some of the crystals still remain in the muscle. After several injections in that area, there is a buildup. As the crystals disipate, muscle is able to grow in that area. The other reason Winnie and Susp are used is because to much oil injected into the same spot, to often will cause an oil abscess, which can be extremely dangerous and lead to cellulitis if it gets infected. Later

good info.

willk · #8 (**permalink**) 03-21-2002, 03:41 AM

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Originally posted by LATS
HEY XCEL, WHAT UP?
one thing that i heard a pro say that gave a seminar and signing at the gym i own is "if site injecting gear worked, we all would have asses so big we could not make it through the door" not saying he is right but, laughed my ass off nonetheless. ROTFLMAO

i think things like scar tissue and the receptors being pounded are the reason for this "basketball ass" thing every says doesnt add up IMO. when you inject into a new muscle that has never been used, there is some growth. the reason behind it is purely speculation. i can tell you this, when i am lean, and i inject winny in my quads, they look awsome. and as soon as i stop they arent nearly as hard. winny gives them a real ripped look. and no other gear did that for me. this is why i lean toward the esterless factor.

but who really knows. i would assume a pro would know though... lol

Nautica · #9 (**permalink**) 03-21-2002, 08:09 PM

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Originally posted by LATS
o kay, i have heard two types of theorys regarding this subject. one says that long esters will work better since the oil will stay in the muscle longer. others say that you need to use very short term like suspension and tren since the short term esters will effect the "muscle directly" by giving the muscle first dibbs on the components. lets hear it ya all!!! :help:

Both theories are correct in their own way. The longer acting anabolics like eq and deca will cause the muscle fascia to stretch, much like synthol.

The no ester or fast acting ester anabolics start working as soon as they enter the body; therefore, the muscle which is injected gets more benefit from the anabolic. Not alot but a little.

Nautica

WCP · #10 (**permalink**) 03-21-2002, 09:18 PM

Napalm nailed it..!

Lets think of site injections this way...if they really worked to build bigger muscles then bodybuilders would be known for having really huge asses...*/

Just put the stuff in your body and let it work its magic...!

Peace,
WCP

xcelbeyond · #11 (**permalink**) 03-21-2002, 09:45 PM

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Originally posted by WCP
Napalm nailed it..!

Lets think of site injections this way...if they really worked to build bigger muscles then bodybuilders would be known for having really huge asses...

Is this why I have a REALLY BIG ASS */

xcelbeyond

nemesis · #12 (**permalink**) 03-22-2002, 05:01 AM

do you want quick results or results that come a little later.