yea get it together before you do your cycle always add test to deca or tren..you can get away with not using test with eq..but get what you need then take the plunge..and anywhere between 200 and 600..ive done and seen all these doses used and inbetween and everyone has had good results myself included..those who disagree with the 200 mg dose..listen all you have to do is go to your nearest hiv clinic ask the guy who use to be skin and bones and is now looking pretty dam good if 200 mgs worked..its a good starting point..i just got done with a 20weeker at 600mgs per week along with test and some other goodies...but ive been on juice 23 years...ribb