little help

protobe · #1 (**permalink**) 11-11-2004, 02:41 AM

I'm 16 and i'm gonna start a cycle of test in december with an estrogen blocker. I just want to know of peoples results off straight test and the gains they made.
I'm on M1t right now its methyl one test its a legal pro steriod. I've gotten amazing strength gains off of it. My gains are coming back and i'm always pumped i mean veins everywhere.
thanks for replies
peace

Mr.Huge · #2 (**permalink**) 11-11-2004, 03:20 AM

Im not your father nor am i your mother but at age 16 I would not reommend anyone to start cycling anything but natural supplements. Your natural testosterone levels should be ragin at this age. You have a lot more grwoing to do and you will simply stunt your growth by starting to take a/s at this age.

Simply continue to eat right train hard and get thr proper rest needed for recovery and you will grow like a weed. If you are currently at a sticking point simply try to find a nitch by changing your routine continuously and shock your body into growth.

A/S or any other hormones you may be thinking of taking can be harmful to your health especially at your age if not used properly. there is a lot of misinformation out there and I'd hate to see you hurt yourself at such a young age.

Mr.Huge

rAJJIN · #3 (**permalink**) 11-11-2004, 05:13 AM

I have to agree with Mr.Huge.

at the same time I know how I was at 16 and didnt know shit..
all I knew was I wanted some roids,lol

take your time young grasshopper study up and read everything you can before you decide to take the plunge.
In the long run your better off waiting atleast another year or 2 minn.

xcelbeyond · #4 (**permalink**) 11-11-2004, 04:35 PM

Nobody here is raggin' on ya - we're not hypocrites. Just trying to help you make the BEST decision.

If you LEARN AND PRACTICE good nutrition until you're about 21, you'll be light years ahead whenb you're ready to start on the dark side. (read my signature) :)

protobe · #5 (**permalink**) 11-11-2004, 08:34 PM

I understand what all of you are saying trust me it was this way a year ago and i decided not to do them from help of another forum like this one. Now in the past year i have lost all the gains i've made and am pretty much starting from scratch again which sucks. Now i am 16 and almost 17 and I have decided to juice here are my reasons. Every pro bodybuilder juices every single one of them and most of them about 75% started really young Arnold and 15 years old Flex at 16 years old. the way i see it and correct me if i'm wrong but one way or another i'm gonna juice later on so why not start now either way i'm gonna fuck myself up. If i start now i have a lot better of a chance doing soemthing with my bodbuilding career than if i waited a while. all the complications and risks to me later in life when i'm 50 are worth it to me to live my dream as a bodybuilder. thats the scenario I've thought long and hard about it and over months of research actually about a year of such i have learned a lot and have a lot of great people around me to help make a smart cycle. I'm gonna start my career of juice with straight test with a estrogen blocker and something to cycle of with. than about 2-3 months later do a cycle of deca but i'm keeping it smart and lightweight, thanks for concern and please post more.

xcelbeyond · #6 (**permalink**) 11-11-2004, 11:45 PM

You need to learn how to eat - both while your clean and when you're on.

If you don't, you'll just get "big" then when you come off, you'll lose most of it. I know plenty of Div 1 football players that quit juice and now look like skinny basketball players - NO SHIT.

And by the way - I'm 51 and don't have ANY health problems. If you live like there's no tomorrow your dream will come true.

Big A · #7 (**permalink**) 11-12-2004, 02:30 AM

There is no reason for you to juice now. At your age, your hormone levels are as high as if you were on juice anyway.
You take the gear, that will stop your test production and merely replace the levels you had anyway since you are a teen.

Why do you think teens mature so quick and grow so quickly? They have the hormone levels of a grown person on juice.
You just simply don't need it. You will just be wasting your money.

How tall are you? Gear will stunt your growth if your growth plates are not closed yet.

And if you do things properly, you will not have any problems at a later age, so don't think destructively!

Bigbadasian · #8 (**permalink**) 11-12-2004, 08:58 AM

|--[\\\]>---------- Take it from a person who DID start young, i started in hs at age 18 bro, i hadnt touched a weight either, the 1st day i shot up, was the 1st day i touched a weight and boy did i fuck myself. Not only did i get severe acne, but i got bloody noses about 5x's a day, H20 retention, high bp, the list goes on and on and all for what? i went from 96lbs in 1996 to 130 by mid. 1997? i should have lifted naturally and gained as much NATTY muscle as possible by training heavy and eating tons....seriously bro, i'm not some father figure telling you NOT to do it, i'm telling you NOT to do it b/c i DID do it and made a HUGE mistake by doing it....

protobe · #9 (**permalink**) 11-12-2004, 03:43 PM

trust me i understand what all of you are saying and i agree i did it natty and got huge but i can juice and get twice the gains twice as fast and have a much better chance at going somewhere. How do you explain arnold and lou all them juiced really young, arnold at 15 years old. I mean fact is i will fuck myself up but its the best way for me to have a chance on goin somewhere i'm like 6-2 and i don't want to grow anymore so that isn't important. I understand what you all are saying but none of you are pro are ya?? if i want a chane i need to start now i'm gonna fuck myself up anyways so why not start now and have a chance on going wsomewhere??

Big A · #10 (**permalink**) 11-12-2004, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by protobe
but none of you are pro are ya??

Ahem...

Also, did you read what I said? You will NOT get any extra gains using gear at your age than you would naturally because you have as many hormones in your body right now as if you were on gear anyway.

xcelbeyond · #11 (**permalink**) 11-12-2004, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by protobe
I understand what you all are saying but none of you are pro are ya??

You must not know ?) Big A is an IFBB Pro!

rAJJIN · #12 (**permalink**) 11-12-2004, 10:16 PM

The guys are rite on..

you can juice now sure and MAYBE gain 20-30lbs
then guess what.. the gains will stop after that.

IF you are smarter about it and realy are worried about best results in the long run youll hold of as advised and Gain your next
25 - 30 Lbs with food and heavy ass weights THEN spend the next year or even 2 or 3 reading and learning everything you can

that puts you just out of highschool with a lot more natural
size, strength, and knowledge. Then young grasshopper you
do the cycle youve been waiting long and hard for and gain you another 30 lbs.

I honestly think youll gain more musclemass in the long run this way.. If I could only go back knowing what I know now Id have
done the same.

Still dont care..lol and insist on juicing anyhow?
do you some test and deca, its a great beginners cycle
but I say your making a mistake in the long run.

gene · #13 (**permalink**) 11-13-2004, 01:13 AM

bro, you asked for advice and got it. sure its not what you wanted to hear, but its the truth. Why would everyone above have a reason to lie to you?

IF, and thats a BIG IF, you have the genetics to be a pro, you would know it. you would be huge already and be way ahead of many people who have years more experience of lifting.

do you know about the hpta and how hormones (test) will affect it? your hpta is working overtime at your age and still developing. By starting some gear now you could end up being on hrt for the rest of your life. not a scare tactic, but a possibility.

Bigbadasian · #14 (**permalink**) 11-13-2004, 02:24 AM

|--[\\\\]>-------- R u seriously comparing yourself to Lou and Arnold? do you know why their gains were so superior to anyone else even at an early age? GENETICS! They could breath the gym air and grow....what are your stats now? you haven't shared anything with us as far as that goes? A pro? dont mean to burst your bubble bro, but that is the longest shot in the world, look at all the top level nat'l competitors that arent pros yet? My buddy Vander over at PM, look at his geneitcs and he's not even pro yet, has not even broke the nat'l level yet and he's 27. Look at Chris Cook, or King's boy Lopez, both are the closest to the top as anyone could be, but yet not pro. I'm not trying to be negative, but pls. dont get caught up in all the hype and let bbing run your life...you are young, enjoy highschool, play sports, hang with friends, bag as many hs chicks as possible, these days are short and once they past, you wont get them back....the gym will always be there, your hs days are limited.

protobe · #15 (**permalink**) 11-13-2004, 04:32 AM

i thank all you for all your replies dont think i don't I know where all of you are coming from.. I actually have been fortunate and awarded with amazing genetics. a year ago i started bodybuilding and i gained 60 lbs in 6 months got up to 215lbs. got my arms up to 16.5inches i was 15 years old with 16.5 inches i was huge my chest was 52 inches and my legs were a downfall but were 26inches. now i took about 8 months off lost a lot of weight and have regained myself and the love for the sport. I cam back about 2 months ago and i weighed at 155lbs now i weigh 185 and my arms are only down to 14 inches which isn't bad considering all the time i took off and its coming back very fast. I gain mass really easy i mean i gained 4 inches in my arms honestly in about 7 months before i really have lucked out. I would send a pic but my camera is messed up. I have a great physique nice six pac nice shape in my chest actually great chest collarbone and trap connection. I was really lucky and have a gorgeous shape to my arms and i am lacking back and legs hardcore but i work on them the hardest. I really honestly believe i have a shot at doing something. I plan on juicing in about 6 months a cycle of test and an estrogen blocker. I am gonna keep it pussy and light to start off for a while but i know if i juice now i will make great gains in the next few years and have a much better chance of going somewhere.
my body also responds great to almost every supplement its strange like i will take creatine and my body will just love it. all the protein and shit i take i grow fast i mean like 10lbs at least a month normally.

now don't get me wrong i eat a lot and right i eat mainly chicken,eggs,tuna,pasta,pizza and anything i feel like since i'm bulking but i also get about 200grms of protein a day in shakes alone about 350 total - none of this will change when i juice i am a fanatic about all of it, if i don't eat my meals or miss one i freak out and feel like shit.
thanks for all your help and sorry to disapoing you but i feel that if i juice now i will be able to get my arms to 17" by a year from now (will def happen the way my body grows) and that way i will have the ability to get them to 20inchs by when i am 20 years old and i can work on my weak points and get up to size really quick and have a lot more years to go pro or something like that. I can also have a chance to get even bigger gains and get my arms and chest bigger than expected and have a great chance on doing something.

either way i've talked to my buddy's an IFBB pro and some people on there way to goin pro and they all told me its good to start young.
i will start soon prolly after xmas so please help me with a cycle my first cycle will be straight test with an estrogen blocker so help is appreciated and my 2nd cycle will be deca thanks again

rAJJIN · #16 (**permalink**) 11-13-2004, 04:51 AM

2nd cycle will be deca alone?
why are you so worried about an anti-e?

what kind of test are you going to run? what doses etc?
what brand and what size of pins will you be using?
do you know how to asperate?

how did you go from 225 to 155?
Just quite lifting and eating all together? Thats a huge weight loss
something must have been wrong? depression? drugs?

give us more info about ya an keep us posted and well do our best to help you make the rite decisions. goodluck bro and be safe. dont get your hopes up on turning pro just yet,lol
Lot of buffets and heavy weights to lift before even being able to
compete in a local ameture show.

Bigbadasian · #17 (**permalink**) 11-13-2004, 07:37 AM

|--[\\\\]>----------- That right there worries me, i KNOW for a FACT you will be one of those newbies who quits lifting/eating when you come 'off' b/c you will be so dependent on your juice. you will gain all this weight and it will go all to waste once you go 'off'

Nemesis79 · #18 (**permalink**) 11-13-2004, 07:55 AM

listen boy i started at 20 and now am 25 it's worth the wait..now finally like a bb mentor in the gym said my muscles are maturing and it feels good

Nemesis79 · #19 (**permalink**) 11-13-2004, 08:00 AM

well if ur not gonna listen do somethiing mildly andrenergenic...like Deca is okay..and Primo or winny etc.

Pros what do u think?

gene · #20 (**permalink**) 11-13-2004, 03:39 PM

if your buddy is an IFBB pro and you believe everything he says why are you asking us non pro's???
an estrogen blocker you keep saying, which one?

go on over to www.professionalmuscle.com and look through the members pics there. Look at the pics on the banners. Alot of those guys have an awesome pysique but are not pro.

Bigbadasian · #21 (**permalink**) 11-13-2004, 04:45 PM

|--[\\\]>----------- if the IFBB pro told you to jump off a bridge to gain 20 lbs would you do it?

Nemesis79 · #22 (**permalink**) 11-13-2004, 05:07 PM

I dont know if you guys are replying to mee..but all i'm saying is if he's not gonna listen and is all on the pro does this pros do that thing...just let him play it safe..some people are stubborn they dont' listen..when i was young..i listened to the older guys..and vets so I have more years of quality juice ahead of me..dont' misunderstand what i'm trying to say guys.

rAJJIN · #23 (**permalink**) 11-13-2004, 06:15 PM

Not meant towards you Nem.

Nemesis79 · #24 (**permalink**) 11-14-2004, 08:15 AM

yeah cool rajj i figured so..also when i meant pros i shoulda added vets..

oooh yeah i'm feelin jacked today....that eq is flowin baby...shit i think i'll go up to a 1200 eh why not its' only 300 more :kickass:

I LOVE THE SMELL OF ALCOHOL IN THE MORNING

protobe · #25 (**permalink**) 11-16-2004, 08:32 PM

I got into some trouble with the law(too much fighting) and i wasn't able to take any supplements not even vitamins and my dad hated bodybuilding so i stopped for a while. I forget all the info on what test i willl be taking its a pill though my buddy is a personal trainer and he has it all set up. I do plan on keeping it safe and i also know i won't stop eating when i come off i am a guy who feels like i'm small when i don't get in at least 6 big meals so i will never stop that it will just supercharge me for a while than i will continue to work even harder off of it to not loose so much. I know what i'm doing and i know i want to compete and this is the best way for me to go somewhere. I love working hard and eating and taking protein till i can't anymore and than seeing it work and the difference it makes. I will keep you all posted on exactly what i take and how much but i do know that i'm keeping it safe and doing it the right way. thanks and trust me i understand what all of you are saying i thank you for your opinions but i really have thought long and hard about it and i've decided this is the best way for me to have a future in bodybuilding.