Tempted -> Dbol

[Nick007]

hi there

well im back online..after a while now but im here! taking my basic whey protein supps ...gonna look at going back on creatine and maybe a prohormone precursor...only thing im worried about is the creatine - the last time i took it...my weight went up to 72KG from 62KG...in 2 weeks...i put on 2 inches on my arms and calves...but as soon as i stopped it...i lost my new found gains...cell voluminizing..uve gotta love it...freakin water ..i want muscle not water! +)

anyway thats why i decided to stack it with a prohormone precursor! Ive been tempted to go on a cycle of Dbol...neva taken steroids before - worried about the side effects as well as crashing after coming off and losing all my gains!

Guys some advice here please!

Thanks
Nick /;

[riv]

you wil crash just the same with dbol. quick strength gains and quick weight, but once you stop you will crash. everything has sides man, i know guys who broke out with acne on creatine, otehrs cramped no matter how much h2o they drank. dbol is the same, different people feel different things.

i didnt take any anti-e's during my cycle, no need for them. others get gyno signs in 2 weeks.

if your gonna juice do it right.

-Riv

[Nick007]

hi Riv,

Thanks for the advice. I must say I dont have any experience using steriods, therefore im more than likely to try stacking the prohormone precursors (19Nor, Androstenadiol, etc) with my creatine. Tell me - the weight u put on with dbol....is it muscle weight or water weight? I know the possibility of crashing after coming off any steriod is definite - hence why most people take a sup thereafter to boost their bodies own testosterone production - so they keep their hard earned gains. When going on a cycle of Dbol, from what Ive read, its important to supplement with a liver detox sup and anti-e's to counter any side effects (especially with oral steriods).

So what would your advice be regarding:
1> Should I cycle Dbol, if so how would I go about doing my first cycle and what else should i take with it to counter any sides.
2> If you dont think taking Dbol is a good idea...whats your view on prohormone precursors...i know they're freakin expensive - but do they work?
3> How would I keep my gains from using creatine? Ive opted to go on the normal creatine monohydrate with grape juice. I tried an equivalent of CellTech - which is basically monohydrate with alpha limpotic acid and a couple other extras...but the stuff tastes like shit so ive opted for the plain creatine where i know ive made quick gains!

Thanks alot for your help!

Cheers
Nick

[riv]

well first i did not take dbol in my cycle. i did prop, cyp, deca.

to answer your 3 Q's
1> dont cycle dbol by itself
2> i think you should save your money, dont buy any prohormones, they dont work as well as injecting the test so why bother. if you feel tehy do work i would call that a placebo effect. keep your money, buy food.
3> as for creatine and other supps, i used cell-tech lemon lime flavor and i liked it, creatine does help out alot. i would combine it with glutamine (i hope you have read up on it, to much info to post) and keep protien intake high. i love steak and chicken, i cant get enough, but sometimes you dont have time (work, fighting, dates) and a shake is teh only way to get in your protien. i like the optimum nutrition 100% whey, chocolate flavor. 5lbs is cheap off the net.

after a cycle you need more then a pro-hormone to get your test back. what i'm doing is a HCG, clomid, nolva, dbol bridge post cycle therapy. so far my boys are still workin fine, and i havent seen any signs of gyno.

lastly, these are just my opinions. dont go by everything i say (ALL YOU OTHER GUYS CAN CHIME IN AT ANYTIME) read as much as you can about every aspect of BB, especially diet. i dont care what you take, if you dont eat you wont grow. keep up on the AAS research. keep the Q's coming, thats what the boards are here for.

oh yeah where you from? across the pond, i'm guessin?
Riv

[BronSon]

thats some damn good advice riv!

[Nick007]

hi there,

Thanks riv for the advice...i must say though..im not too keen on injecting myself..would opt for the oral option. Hey so what you basically saying is that prohomones like the stack: "stenandiol" is crap?

ok you've suggested as a first cycle (guide): prop, cyp, deca. ? sorry im familar with deca but what the heck is prop and cyp? Where does dbol fit into the whole equation?...

So guys then... how long do you cycle this combo? Im going to also opt of medical supervision should i go on a cycle....just like to be safe!

Ok the creatine supplement has glutimine in it etc...probably should try Cell-Tech...but its bladdy expensive here in South Africa..yeah im from South Africa...across the pond :)

Anyway keep the advice flowing heheh :) thanks hey!

NIck

[riv]

BRONSON- thanks man, i'm eager to help. i have been stuck in my house for about 2 weeks now. (knee injury)
NICK-yes, i would say the pro-hormone stack stenandiol is crap.

Propionate and Cypionate are different esters of testesterone. a basic first cycle would be around doses of 500-600mg of test a week and if you want 300-400 mg's of deca a week. look into all AAS and decide for yourself on what you want to take.

if you only do orals... well i'm sorry yuo wont get that much out of them. you can take dbol with any cycle at varying lengths and doses, some would say no more then 25mg's (per day) for your first time, otehrs say go ahead with 50mg (per day). and theres teh debate on when to take it, throughout the day to keep a constant level in your blood stream, or, take it whenever you want cuase it bonds to some receptor and is "carried" through your system that way. ( sorry i have to read that thread again)

for lengths of cycles most people go for 10-12 to start off with (i did 10 wks) once you get more expierienced you can stay on for longer 25wks plus. or just never come off only take a 4 wk break. liek i said before, i would go on for 10-12 wks.

if cell--tech is that much $$$, fuck it, any good powder form will do. you can get glutamine in a separate powder form also. keep looking on the net and you'll find some good deals, i would suggest some places but i dont know if the ship internationally.

heres a link you can read up on some AAS, i've read that over and over cuz basically i dont understand some of it, this is like school man, you have to study http://www.anabolicreview.com/drugprof.php# good luck, watch out for them great whites.

Riv

[Ry Roid]

There is a simple science in taking gear to gain muscle and going off them and maintaining that new muscle. You just gotta take right things at right time.

RY

[Nick007]

care to elaborate RY?

Hey thanks alot riv... uve given me some good info! let me research it more..i'll play with 1 prohormone stack and creatine to start....while i research then look at the other options ..at least then i can say ive tried prohormones and they suck :)

thanks again

nick

[Nick007]

hi Riv,

from what ive just read on that link you've given me...the best roid seems to be Deca - coz it has reasonable gains in strength and mass ...and u retain most of that mass. Dbol and others..has a fantastic effect on size/mass and strength but u dont seem to retain most of if!...plus Deca has the least side effects compared to Dbol! Geez maybe i should consider cycling Deca as apposed to Dbol....well let me keep researching :)

thanks bro!

Nick

[riv]

your right, deca is a good drug, but if you read on it more you will find out that it is best to take Test with it. tehre are so many drugs out there dont keep your mind on just one or the other. (you sound alot like a train with, we fight non-stop about many AAS issues) and as for side effects; i didnt expirience any. no gyno, i didnt break out with any acne, and no "roid rage" bu then again i'm a fighter its a controlled rage, LOL. i truested my source and i trusted that my drugs were clean. remember, drugs of any kind effect people differently.

for now heres what you need to do
1> EAT!
2> dont take pro-hormones, waste of hard earned money
3> take creatine, glutamine and supplement protien

[Nick007]

ok cool will see if i can get the stuff locally!

Well you guys have been awsome..i'll have more posts !

hey do u know of any plain complex carb supplement?

Nick

[twistedneck]

Nick, these peeps know their shit - lesson learned ,Pro-hormones are lame and kill your libido by supressing natural test. they spike libido at first from the estrogen spike but then boom - estrogen goes through the roof and their is no natty test, by bye dick Unlike real roid cycles Pro Hormones dont replace the natural test with injected test or other potent injected androgens to build muscle and keep up your libido.. same prb with d-bol only cycle -surpess natty test.

[Dom!nator]

skip te dboll its only gonna give u water rettention.

Besides that I would like to ask ya for how long have you been training? Have you got your diet straight for at least 3 years now? You know what kind of training works right for you? And last but not least are you 20+? I would be carefull using before that age because youre natural testosterone hormones are still way high and you really dont need any steriods yet.

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Originally posted by Dom!nator
skip te dboll its only gonna give u water rettention.

Besides that I would like to ask ya for how long have you been training? Have you got your diet straight for at least 3 years now? You know what kind of training works right for you? And last but not least are you 20+? I would be carefull using before that age because youre natural testosterone hormones are still way high and you really dont need any steriods yet.

Good points here as well Dom. Definitely glad he is here asking questions and not doing something stupid. Props to you Nick for that. I certainly hope you keep asking questions, bro and stick around an learn as much as you can. Alot of good bros here who know their shit...Best of luck w/ training...

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