gyno after cycle?

BigWil · #1 (**permalink**) 10-31-2003, 03:15 PM

Hey fellas here is the deal. I was using liquidex during my last cycle to keep the gyno away and it pretty much worked. I also use clomid post cycle. Now all of the sudden I have some painful lumps behind my right nipple only. Does this sound weird or what? I am currently not using anything. Do you think some nolvadex would clear this up along with some liquidex? Thanks alot, Bigwil

riv · #2 (**permalink**) 11-01-2003, 12:20 AM

did you use HCG along with the clomid, i read if you dont use nolva with HCG it could cause gyno

BronSon · #3 (**permalink**) 11-01-2003, 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by BigWil
Hey fellas here is the deal. I was using liquidex during my last cycle to keep the gyno away and it pretty much worked. I also use clomid post cycle. Now all of the sudden I have some painful lumps behind my right nipple only. Does this sound weird or what? I am currently not using anything. Do you think some nolvadex would clear this up along with some liquidex? Thanks alot, Bigwil

I started getting lump under nip once and took 40mgs a day until it went away...it did go away.

akursus · #4 (**permalink**) 11-03-2003, 11:02 PM

It's common for guys to get gyno post cycle if no anti-e is taken. Here's the deal, your synthetic test is no longer available (i.e.- stopped cycle) and your axis is still suppressed. This leaves a huge lean toward estrogen dominance in your body. If I don't take anti-e's during pct I get gyno lumps EVERY TIME within a week of the ester being gone. just pop some nolva ed with that clomid and all will be well.

akursus~

twistedneck · #5 (**permalink**) 11-04-2003, 03:29 AM

This is an old post by Kronah on estrogen rebound

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Let me take a shot at better explaining estrogen rebound, anyone feel free to chime in if you disagree or have any other opinions.

When one comes off a cycle your body's androgens are at an all time low do to the suppression of the HPTA. (in layman's terms during a cycle your hypothalamus and pituitary are saying hey this guy is giving us all this testosterone so it responds by producing less hormones LH&FSH).
Okay, now after a cycle your body is no longer getting exogenous androgens (since you're not jabbing your ass) and the body compensates by over producing estrogen in order to keep steroid levels up. As a consequence, we know that estrogen inhibits natural testosterone, and as a result, a lot of mass is ultimately lost. This in short is estrogen rebound.
Now to overcome the estrogen rebound you have two options post cycle, either run clomid or nolvadex for 3-5 weeks depending on the length of your cycle. Both Nolva and clomid act at the estrogen receptors binding to them so that estrogen in the body cannot function. The purpose of blocking the estrogen receptors is to allow the hypothalamus to regenerate natural testosterone production in the body. Now comes the debates, well which one is better clomid or nolva? The choice depends on several factors: side effects, cost, health conditions and availability. I personally like running nolva post cycle. The reason is I do not get visual side effects like I do with clomid. I don't get acne like with clomid, nor do I get mood swings like I get on clomid. The final reason I enjoy nolva is that it has a positive impact on both your HDL and LDL, which after a cycle are usually abnormal. Certainly both of these two meds work very well and in the end it comes down to personal preference. Hope this helps everyone. Please feel to give opinions.

BigWil · #6 (**permalink**) 11-04-2003, 03:09 PM

Thanks alot fellas, I will try the nolva. I have used it in the past and it worked pretty well. Does anyone think it is ok to use during your cycle?

akursus · #7 (**permalink**) 11-04-2003, 09:55 PM

I am not sure what you are asking. You mean is it ok to use nolva during cycle and/or clomid? Actually lots of guys use nolva to block gyno during a cycle and it works fairly well. It is hotly debated weather or not clomid is useful during cycle. Some say it blocks the estrogen receptor as well as nolva, I don't agree. As for using these products during cycle for easing suppression... nope. Nothing eases suppression to my knowledge during cycle besides HCG and even that is to temporarily remind yourself that you do indeed have man seeds down there and to let the seeds remember how to work so PCT is not as rough.

Hope that helps bro...

Ursus~

kronah · #8 (**permalink**) 11-05-2003, 06:00 PM

Use 40mg of nolvadex/tamoxifen every day until your symptoms reside. It can take anywhere from 3-21 days to see results. Keep us posted on your condition.

BronSon · #9 (**permalink**) 11-05-2003, 06:04 PM

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Originally posted by BigWil
Thanks alot fellas, I will try the nolva. I have used it in the past and it worked pretty well. Does anyone think it is ok to use during your cycle?

yes,it is ok to use during cycle...I have run at 10-20mgs day and it kept the gyno away and didn`t hinder gains a bit...

Dom!nator · #10 (**permalink**) 11-05-2003, 07:06 PM

maybe at 10-20mgs it wont effect the cycle but if youre gonna use a higher dosage like 40mg it deffinetely will. Proviron would be better against gyno during the cycle.

What do you say about it kronah?

BronSon · #11 (**permalink**) 11-05-2003, 09:36 PM

the only time I would use over 20mgs a day would be if I had gyno symptoms,lumps etc. I beleive you are correct dominator,I have herd of it hindering gains....just never happened to me at 10-20mgs...I love the stuff,keeps gyno and that puffy chest thing away...and has also been known to help cholesterol levels..
myself, I think its a lot better option then arimidex and shit that will fuck up your lipid profiles.. I have done arimidex,liquidex and I I didn`t care for it....I don`t know maybe I was running to high of a dose..

kronah · #12 (**permalink**) 11-06-2003, 04:45 AM

the reduction in IGF levels that Nolva causes is very slim to none. When you look on the side of it positively affecting your lipids and keeping the bloat and gyno off it's an easy decision...use if you need it. I have run it at 40mg and have had no decrease in my gains.

Ivan · #13 (**permalink**) 11-06-2003, 06:44 PM

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Originally posted by akursus
It's common for guys to get gyno post cycle if no anti-e is taken. Here's the deal, your synthetic test is no longer available (i.e.- stopped cycle) and your axis is still suppressed. This leaves a huge lean toward estrogen dominance in your body. If I don't take anti-e's during pct I get gyno lumps EVERY TIME within a week of the ester being gone. just pop some nolva ed with that clomid and all will be well.

akursus~

Yes sir, 100 % agreed./;

xcelbeyond · #14 (**permalink**) 11-11-2003, 03:03 PM

This is why I use anastrozole along with clomid - post cycle. Anastrozole is also purported in increase release of natural testosterone.

xcel

MxKronah · #15 (**permalink**) 02-19-2006, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by kronah

Use 40mg of nolvadex/tamoxifen every day until your symptoms reside. It can take anywhere from 3-21 days to see results. Keep us posted on your condition.

who the hell are you and why are you using my name?

if you have a problem going the your doctor, find one your not gonna have a problem with seeing

anyhow, will i get a responce seeming its been thre years?

i guess we'll find out

stay strong :)

rAJJIN · #16 (**permalink**) 02-19-2006, 05:00 PM

well,
I was getting ready to ask who the hell you are and Why are you using Kronah`s Name??

I thought Maybe Kronah had returned.. He was a damn good Bro.

MxKronah · #17 (**permalink**) 12-15-2006, 08:16 AM