FIRST CYCLE, NEED ADVICE

TonyFlags · #1 (**permalink**) 09-26-2003, 01:40 AM

STATS: 20yrs 3tyr of serious training 188lbs at 5'8 10%BF?
already look like im juicing

im goin to run 300mg of QV DECA (maybe 200mg?) for 10 weeks with 15 to 20mg of DBOLS for 3 to 5 weeks; but the thing is i dont know what to do about TEST? All i could get right now Duratest (sus) shouild i run it at 250mg a week all the way through or should i up it to 500mg (is this really necesary for a 20yrar old) OR should i run 250mg of Sus and 200mg of Ethanate later on, can someone outline a good cycle for me cause i have no idea what to do abt test.
MY GOALS OR TO GAIN MASS BUT NOT THE BLOTE I KEEP HEARING SO MUCH ABT, IS MORE A MATTER OF DIET OR DRUGS. i WILL KEEP CARBS LOW (70-150G IS ALL MY BODY NEEDS AND CAN REALLY HANDLE) HIGH PROTIEN AND MOD.FAT
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ANY INFO WOULD BE GREATLY APPREACIEATED:help:

oclifter · #2 (**permalink**) 09-26-2003, 01:53 AM

Most recommendations for first cycle is 500mg enanthe/cypionate and maybe 20-30mg dbol. Sustanon could be done but, most recommend shooting it eod or every third day. Nolv. if needed. Hopefully others will chime in but, definately test and maybe something else depending on goals.

riv · #3 (**permalink**) 09-26-2003, 03:12 AM

i'm on my first now, 300deca, 600 cyp, 400 prop( dropping it off at wk4) all QV 10 wks BTW its almost three weeks and i havent bloated up at all

treny · #4 (**permalink**) 09-26-2003, 04:56 AM

500mg forsure

treny · #5 (**permalink**) 09-26-2003, 05:01 AM

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Originally posted by TonyFlags
STATS: 20yrs 3tyr of serious training 188lbs at 5'8 10%BF?
already look like im juicing

im goin to run 300mg of QV DECA (maybe 200mg?) for 10 weeks with 15 to 20mg of DBOLS for 3 to 5 weeks; but the thing is i dont know what to do about TEST? All i could get right now Duratest (sus) shouild i run it at 250mg a week all the way through or should i up it to 500mg (is this really necesary for a 20yrar old) OR should i run 250mg of Sus and 200mg of Ethanate later on, can someone outline a good cycle for me cause i have no idea what to do abt test.
MY GOALS OR TO GAIN MASS BUT NOT THE BLOTE I KEEP HEARING SO MUCH ABT, IS MORE A MATTER OF DIET OR DRUGS. i WILL KEEP CARBS LOW (70-150G IS ALL MY BODY NEEDS AND CAN REALLY HANDLE) HIGH PROTIEN AND MOD.FAT
..
ANY INFO WOULD BE GREATLY APPREACIEATED:help:

most ppl think that sust has to be injected eod but thats not true it can be injected once a week and still work just fine.. the prop in it is the only reason why ppl say that.......

Dom!nator · #6 (**permalink**) 09-26-2003, 12:23 PM

wouldnt stack to much, so you can see how you react on a certain steroid

also: 70-150g carbs and want to gain mass? how many calories are you going to take?

riv · #7 (**permalink**) 09-26-2003, 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by Dom!nator
wouldnt stack to much, so you can see how you react on a certain steroid

also: 70-150g carbs and want to gain mass? how many calories are you going to take?

good point on the carbs, you'll be eating like a viking when your on if you dont then it'll all be a waste. no matter what test you go for; 500-600mg is fine

TonyFlags · #8 (**permalink**) 09-26-2003, 07:22 PM

AS far as the carbs go; i find that my body doesent really react weel to over 150gs of carbs, i eat a shit load of protien and fats (but good fats)

skinny D · #9 (**permalink**) 09-26-2003, 07:36 PM

Why run 500mg's a week? your body only makes 4-10mg's a day. If its his 1cycle, I think 250mg ew would be prenty. Why do that much, when you should respond great to 250mg's. Just my .02. I would like to hear what other's think about 250mg or 500mg on your first cycle.

treny · #10 (**permalink**) 09-26-2003, 07:58 PM

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Originally posted by skinny D
Why run 500mg's a week? your body only makes 4-10mg's a day. If its his 1cycle, I think 250mg ew would be prenty. Why do that much, when you should respond great to 250mg's. Just my .02. I would like to hear what other's think about 250mg or 500mg on your first cycle.

a 20 year old will produce more then that... I don't know the real numbers but I think it is about 200mg in a week. so 250mg will not be enough....

riv · #11 (**permalink**) 09-26-2003, 08:31 PM

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Originally posted by treny

a 20 year old will produce more then that... I don't know the real numbers but I think it is about 200mg in a week. so 250mg will not be enough....

i have read this also, and tony.. what do you mean your body doesnt react well to high carbs?

kevin d · #12 (**permalink**) 09-27-2003, 03:59 PM

Everyone's body reacts differently. That is why some guys just get acne, some no acne but they bloat, etc. That is also why some guy grow on next to nothing and some need huge doses to see gains. The point is its all experimentation on your part to see what works weel for you and what doesn't. My first cycle was just 400 mg of deca plus 20-30 mgs dbol and I grew like a weed. I would say just 500mg enth/cyp with 300mg deca is plenty for a 1st time and you should have little sides with .25 adex per day.

TonyFlags · #13 (**permalink**) 10-01-2003, 08:16 PM

whats really good, just to let you's know what im doin wit my cycle; this is the advice from a man WHOS KNOWS HIS SHIT AND WAA NATIONAL COMPATATOR, HE AINT KNOW REULAR JOE FROM DA BLOCK, SO i really respect his words:
25 mg of d-bol for 4 weeks
300mg of Deca for 10 weeks
200mg of test ethanate (maybe 400mg if i really think it necessary) for 10 weeks
DIET: low carb, 88-150gms
PROTIEN: 200gms
FAT: 40-80gms
AND 3 CARDIO SESIONS FOR 30 MIN
HE SAID THIS IS GOIN TO GET ME HARD AND "LOOK" HUGE CAUSE IM GOI TO GAIN MUSCLE WITH SOME ADDED DEFINITION CAUSE OF LOW WATER RETETION DUE TO MY LOW CARB DIET AND CARDIO, SO WHAT TO YOU'S THINK, IS THIS SOUND ADVICE????
P.S I KNOW ALL YOU'S OR GOIN TO SAY, 200 GMS OF PROTIEN ARE U FUKIN KIDDEN ME!!!!! WELL THIS FRIEND TURNED GURU, HAS A CUZ WHO IS A VERY FAMOUS BODYBUILDER RIGHT NOW HE'S A MONSTER AND ONLY EATS 200GMS OF PROTIEN DURING THE OFFSEASON AND 300 WHEN HE'S GETTING READY FOR A SHOW. SO IM GOIN TO C WHAT HAPPENS