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.........This is MK, all please read.........
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Old 09-24-2003, 01:05 AM
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.........This is MK, all please read.........

my brothers,

i am posting this new thread in reply to some of the responses i received in my last thread. i see i need to clear up some things. i'll address what was posted in that thread and i will, for the first time, write out an account of everything that's happened these past 21 months or so. hopefully this will clear up all questions people have had in the past, and present. this will be the first time i will go into such detail, and, even though it is not in my habit to share details of my personal life, i see that it might have been a good idea to do this from the beginning. i apologize for my shortcomings in that area.

first, let's go back in time to 1998 when i started up and quickly earned a good rep. by 2000 my rep for integrity was probably better than anyone in the biz, and by 2001 i was completely on top of the game.

during that period of time, there were literally thousands of orders placed, and every one of them was delivered. at any given time during that year, i could have walked away with literally hundreds of thousands of dollars . . . all i would've had to do is hold on to all the money that was sent to me every week, rather than forwarding my supplier roughly 75-80% of it. at the rate i was receiving and filling orders back then, it wouldn't have taken more than eight weeks to walk away with about $200K. why didn't i? because i'm not a thief, because i value my integrity, which is what my business was built on, and because i believe in treating people the way i'd like to be treated myself.

in november of 2001, i started getting warning signs that there was trouble. i got word that my supplier at the time, one Mark Davidson, was falling apart at the seams. indeed, the following month, december 2001, he died of a possibly accidental, but nevertheless self-induced, drug overdose. i later found out he was into all sorts of shit and had been going downhill for a while . . . from my point of view things were fine because orders were still getting shipped out.

before he died, there was approximately $1.5 million worth of goods that were successfully delivered over time. when he died, he took with him approximately $75 thousand, a good chunk of which was mine, the rest my customer's money which was intended for product. . . in other words, there were several tens of thousands of dollars of merchandise that were supposed to get shipped but never did after he died. it is this amount which represents the sum of those who lost money.

his death was a devastating blow to myself and to my associates. not only did i not have a steady supply line anymore, but i was at a loss as to how to reimburse those who lost money at the end. i knew that, even though on the surface i didn't do anything wrong, from the customer's point of view he wouldn't care and would blame me. of course, that's what happened (for the most part . . . there were a few very understanding souls, God bless'em ).

the one mistake i made which i am completely to blame for, is that i didn't plan for such a contingency . . . meaning i never set aside an "emergency" amount which i could use in case something like this would happen. i'm completely to blame for that, and, of course, now i would do things differently . . . live and learn . . . but things had been going so smoothly for me for 3 years that i never thought of it. that's entirely my fault.

despite this, i had no intention of leaving people hanging. i decided the only way i could repay the people who lost was with profits from new orders . . . if i continued to roll well, like i had been before all this happened, i figured i'd be able to pay everyone back in 9 weeks.

i found a new hookup, but it didn't work out, and in the meantime the orders were drying up. when you want to do something like this, it's a process that can't be interrupted: get new orders, keep whatever minimal profit i need for day-to-day living expenses, use the rest to pay for supplies for someone who lost money, and *BAM* there would be one person who was compensated. and so on. but if this process gets interrupted for any reason, the whole thing falls apart and everyone loses out . . . old customers, new customers, myself, everyone.

as i said i wasn't able to get a steady supply and in the meantime orders were drying up and finally i dropped out completely and stayed away for a year.

in april of this year i decided to start up again, still with the intention of paying everyone back, only there was one problem: i didn't have the funds anymore to do it, as my standard of living had gone down to even less than it was before i ever started in this biz.

despite this, i didn't have trouble finding someone who was willing to work with me, based on my reputation alone. he knew that i know how to run a business and all i need are good connections. as such, he was willing to front a chunk of the money needed to pay for products to compensate those who were stil out their dough. he knew he'd get back his money after my business built up, and he would have. at this point i did, in fact, contact the people concerned and told them i would be compensating them. most were shocked, since no source in history ever came back a year after the fact to pay back what he owes.

from that point until maybe a month ago . . . a period of 4 months all told . . . there was problem, after problem, after problem, on the supply side. a string of bad luck like i've never experienced in my life, as if all the good fortune i had from 1998-2001 needed to be offset with an equal amount of bad luck now.

during that whole process, anything that i wrote to people was, to the best of my knowledge, the truth. i don't lie, never have never will. the fact that the information i gave out didn't pan out was not due to lack of effort on my side, nor was it due to lack of effort on the supply side . . . it was due to back luck, pure and simple.

this brings us to the present time. i am now, finally, in the position to fill new orders, and have been doing so for a few weeks. i have only received 8 orders so far, 6 of which have been shipped and received, and i have a couple more on the way. as business increases, i will get in touch with the people who are still owed and settle with them. i STILL intend to do this; despite everything that's happened, and despite all the bullshit that's been posted about me, it's still the right thing to do.

the only way i'm going to succeed in doing this with volume. if more people give me the chance to prove i can once again deliver, like the 10 or so people who already have in the last few weeks, i will do the right thing. if people wish to block this process from happening, then i won't be able to fulfill my promise. i hope that won't happen, because i won't rest easy until people are paid back. i hope people will remember the thousands of successfully delivered orders. i hope they'll remember i reached the top in this biz because of integrity. i hope people will allow me to show i am still that person.

i will now email the six people who has received their orders recently and ask them to post in this thread. i don't know how many will . . . some people never post, some don't read the boards, some may not want to because it tooks 6 weeks to deliver instead of 2 because of the aforementioned startup troubles (that's all behind me now btw), and some may simply not want to go to the trouble of registering to a board they don't normally frequent. to offset this last, i'll be posting this message to three other boards for now: Meso-Rx, the UG and Professional Muscle.

to continue building back trust i will continue this practice of asking satisfied customers to post for the next little while, if i have the board mods' cooperation with this.

thanks to whoever managed to sit through this long-ass post =). any questions feel free to email me, or post them here . . . i'll check back in a couple days.

- MK
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Old 09-24-2003, 04:38 AM
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I can confirm this entire story as I knew/know the parties that were involved and the ones that are involved now.
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Old 09-24-2003, 06:27 AM
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Well...

I tell ya what, If none of the guys you e-mailed wanna post then I will.

I ordered from MK a total of 5 times (three orders when all was going great, one that I lost a fair amount of money on when the shit went down and once more AFTER the shit hit the fan). The four orders previous to the last one really aren't what I want to talk about. It's the order after the big problem that showed me MK's integrity. Here is what the deal was... I ordered a nice cycle at the normal price, MK then took his cut and purchased 4 more bottles of my choice ON HIM. He also personally sent me a bunch of clen. Did it add up to the amount that I lost? Not really but to me even if he would have sent one extra bottle with the order I would have felt that he at least tried. Truth be told, I felt like he over compensated me considering my order that was lost was very small in the grand scheme of things for him at the time. I think it is fair to say that what you read above from MK is the truth. It's the first time I have heard the whole story and it is truly hard luck. MK probably would have told me sooner... had I asked. But I didn't need to. I trusted him then and I do now.

MK I hope things get going for you soon and that the hard luck is replaced by all your good karma. People will see it. There is still a few of us old timers around the boards to tell your story.

Take care bro...

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Old 09-24-2003, 02:27 PM
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A good friend of mine used MK for a long time. NO PROBLEMS. I used him with NO problems. He has the utmost integrity and is a GOOD person to deal with. Keeps you posted with updated and is willing to discuss any delays that are not his fault. He is the best!!!!!!
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Old 09-24-2003, 02:54 PM
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Dealt with him many times in the past with no problems. Even when all the shit went down he still made sure my order went out. I feel for anybody who has lost hard earned cash but i think things are different with MK. BIgA is a very reputable vet and if he backs what he says to be true than i believe him. I may order with the King again just to help him get his good name back. If the man is really trying to get things right than he deserves another chance. Good luck Mr King.

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Old 09-24-2003, 10:34 PM
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Well heres what I think..
after playing this game from both sides for years as a steady
loyal member and more recently with my run as a source, IM starting to have a great deal of respect for you MK.

I admit at first when you came back I was one of the first guys that said WTF? Is he serious?

Now I have a much better understanding of the entire situation
and I wish you the very best and keep safe which I know you will.

70k is one hell of a loss amigo and my hat is off to you
and if you pull thru- and get things back to the old days Now that will be One hell of a comeback!!

Last of all Im glad to see you here as a member, and shootin the shit with us. You know the game better or as well as anyone
and Ill hope youll stick around Rippedmass even after things take back off for you.

emergency fund is a damn good idea but honestly
with all the mex shop owners figuring the game out the past few years things are very competitive. days of the 18$ t-200 are long gone. It would be hard in my mind to have the will power and extra funds to stick thru with it, but A very good idea.
raJJIN
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Old 09-25-2003, 01:58 AM
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MK

MK,
good to see you back. good bro he has been around along time
well since the old www. gymrat.com most of the sources are luckly to make it 6months. Good luck will be talking to ya soon

tmax
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Old 09-25-2003, 09:21 AM
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MK, I'm one of the two who hasn't received yet. It's the order for six Ref B to southern Cal. I ordered under a different email than what I use on the boards. I also post on the meso classifieds section. I will bump you on both boards as soon as I receive.
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Old 09-25-2003, 04:23 PM
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I used to order from MK back in 99. Never had any problems. I order from him 2 months ago, there was a delay in getting my product (do to internal problems), but I did get my products. I would order from him again.
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Old 09-28-2003, 12:13 AM
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I agree with my boy "DamageInc." he and I went in on several orders with "MK" and never had any problems, even when people were having problems "MK" always came through for us!
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