Though this was interesting... I'm looking for comments.
This was re-posted on the goheavy board. The guy said he found it on
another board. So now I am
re-re-posting it here to get everyones opinion.
-Mouse
The proper use of Sustanon in a cycle by Squatdemon One of the most
misunderstood ideals when it
comes to Sustanon is how to properly use it in a cycle. There is no
wrong way, but there is a best
way to administer proper dosages so you can fully benefit from the
esters in Sustanon. Sustanon was
developed for the primary reason of hormone replacement, and because
of the mix of esters most
patients only needed one shot a month to keep their hormone levels
balanced. Because of this
design, the bodybuilder will not receive proper doseages at once or
twice a week injections. Your
blood levels will fluctuate up and down continuously, which is not
what you want while on a cycle.
You want stable levels to give your body the best chance it can have
to build plenty of muscle. All
test is the same, but only once the ester is removed. People that say
test is test are wrong unless you
are assuming that the ester has already been removed. I have had
plenty of different results from the
different tests I have used, as well as I am sure you have too. The
secret to making sus work
correctly, is timing the esters so the blood levels do not fluctuate.
I will assume that everyone knows how an ester works and why one is
added to the parent
testosterone. With sustanon, you have 4 esters: 30mg of prop 60mg of
phenylprop 60mg of
isocaproate 100mg of deconate Combined to give you 250mg. Now everyone
knows for
themselves how much test they should take due to previous cycles or no
cycles at all. Let's take each
ester and see how long they will stay active in the body.
30mg of prop--Prop needs to be injected at least every other day to
get the full benefits of the test. I
think every third day is a little too long to wait, although some
people may disagree. Now let's say
you are doing a prop only cycle and injecting 30mg twice a week. You
can see already that is a
waste of gear. If you inject 30mg of prop twice a week you are totally
wasting your time. You will
NOT grow off of this, so you can basically take sus and knock it down
to 220mg an
amp if you are
injecting once or twice a week.
60 mg of phenylprop--Phenylprop is not that much different than prop.
You can get away with
injecting the phenylprop ester every third day. Anyone that has taken
nandrolone with a phenylprop
ester knows that it is shorter acting and must be injected twice a
week (for example, *******'s
powder). If injected twice a week, then let's even cushion the amount,
you will have all 120 mg in
one week.
To recap, so far this is what you get the first week---180 mg of test
in your system. If you ask me
that was a waste of two amps. That is barely enough to supress the
axis, and that is about all you will
have happen if you inject 180mg of test per week. Now let's look at
the longer acting esters in sus.
60mg of Isocaproate--Isocaproate will give you a duration of about a
week before it is let go. This is
not bad, but at 60 mg you are still not getting enough test to make it
worth the time.
100mg of Deconate--Here is the daddy of the four esters. This is the
same ester that is used in
Deca-Durabolin. The deconate ester should really average out at 2
weeks, but has been said to last
up to 3. This ester was added at a 100mg dose to balance out the
quicker acting esters used in
sustanon.
If we review one more time, we can see roughly how much test we will
have in our body per week
when we use sus, and hopefully you can see it is very low. You can
pretty much take out the prop
and phenylprop until about week 3 or 4, because once the other esters
release the test and it gets
time to build up in the system, the prop and phenylprop is useless.
Not until around week six are you
going to get your test levels high enough to do any good, and if you
are on a 10 week cycle and start
tapering week 8, then your test have been only relatively high for
about 2-3 weeks. Call me crazy,
but that is not at all what I want in a cycle. Every test cycle should
be started high to hit those
receptors hard, and I don't even taper at the end (but that is a
different story).
The numbers that BIGDAWG and I worked on basically show that your test
levels will never at one
time be stable for more that a couple of weeks. Why do you think that
people say they have less
bloat on sus and less sides. There is so little of the short acting
test in your system at one time that it
is impossible to get any bloat or side effects at all. So you ask,
well what is the best way to take sus
then? First, I would answer don't buy it. If you really want to use a
4 blend test then buy some of the
old omna (not the new ones), they have more shorter acting tests in
them and the blood levels will
stay more equal. If you don't believe me, ask anyone that has used the
old omna and they will tell
you they got quite a bit of bloat from it. Reason being is the shorter
acting esters in the omna build up
your blood levels quicker, hence you have the bloat factor. If someone
doesn't like my first answer,
then I will give them a second, "inject the sus everyday or at the
least every other day." I usually get
the "wholly @#%$, that's crazy!!!" answer. I usually tell them back,
no it's not crazy, it's science.
The actual science of sus combined with a bodybuilder's needs equal
injecting every day. People
seem to forget about the esters and think they are injecting all of
1750mg each week and getting
every mg of it. Trust me folks, I am not talking about injecting 7
amps a week for 10 weeks, I am
suggesting injecting an
amp a day for 3 weeks, and letting the esters
do thier work after that. When
you crunch the numbers, for the first two weeks you are really only
getting the prop, phenylprop, and
a little of the isocaproate. Maybe about 700-750 mg for the first two
weeks, and for weeks after
that when all of the isocaproate and deconate kick in you will stay
aroung 600-800mg for weeks
following the first couple. You have a perfect taper, if you are into
that, and stable test levels. If you
go to eod, it will vary a bit, but not enough to really make too much
of a difference. Start off the
cycle with 5 weeks of dbol while using the sus, and when you are done
with the sustanon, then
immediately start injecting two anabolics like eq and deca, or deca
and primo/winny. This is a cycle
that a lot of the pros are using called front end loading with an
anabolic taper. I guinea pigged this
idea when BIGDAWG and I were discussing it many months back, and damn
it was a really good
cycle. Not as good as 1000mg of aratest a week, but still a pretty
good cycle. I have cycled
sus/omna both ways, and trained relatively the same with the same kind
of diet. The difference in the
two cycles were like night and day, about a 15-17 pound difference,
and two amps of omna a week
was my first cycle too. You know, the one you are supposed to grow the
most off of because of the
virgin receptors. So test may be test, but you will not get the same
results from every ester out there
if you dont know how to time them. If you are thinking of a sus/omna
cycle, give this a try. I promise
you will not be disappointed, and you just may thank me and DAWG
later......peace.
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