winny with a bulker...

[w8tlifterty]

What's going on guys,

My (planned) 3rd Cycle.

WK 1-6 Tren 50mg ed (kickstart)
Wk 1-3 QV test enan 1000mg per wk
WK 4-8 QV test enan 750mg per wk
WK 1-12 Proline EQ 600 per wk
WK 9-14 Proline Prop 75 or 100 mg ed
WK 6-14 Proline winny 100mg eod
Anti-e and PCT are all on hand and in order--good to go---
What do you guys think about this cycle. Test is high for a 3rd cycle but I am not impressed w/ 500 wk QV enan so I will be upping the dosage.Stats--5'9 210-215lbs, 12%b.f. Diet is great(clean, =350-400g protein, 50-450 g carb everyday, with flax and fish oil rounding out my diet, usually around 4500 cals when "on")
Tell me what you guys would change and or keep the same. I really want to go all out on this one and pack on as much mass as possible. Goal-235lbs of lean hard mass....

[Ivan]

Yikes, that is a bunch of pokes. Make sure you are eating yourself out of house and home to go along with your training and gear usage! Looks good.

[mike man]

Looks pretty well thought out. It is a bit high for a 3rd cycl user though. Good luck.

[w8tlifterty]

Thanks guys for your input. ANother thing, which do you guys out there prefer letro or arimidex, I have both on hand. Just looking for some opinions. I have heard good things about letro, but i have also heard nolva can really effect how well lethro does its job. Mike Man, what would you lower in this cycle-the test?
It is pretty high, but its the QV Enan and I haven't seen great results w/ 500mg per week.

[twistedneck]

w8tlifterty,

Kronah commented on this in a post a few weeks ago, here is a clip:

Let’s talk about Letrozole now. When this anti-e first came out everyone was raving about how great it was. Unfortunately studies have proven otherwise in certain areas. First, one study showed adding 20mg ed of nolva to people taking 2.5mg ed letro, reduced letro concentrations by almost 40%. So for those who take Nolva throughout their cycle this would not be the best combination. 2) Unlike Arimidex and aromasin, Letro in studies has been shown to cause a rebound effect when the drug is stopped. This means that after you stop the Letrozole, your estrogen rebounds and goes pretty high for a while, eventually it normalizes. You can avoid this by tapering your letro dose down before stopping it, but that is a pain in the ass. higher than normal can mess many things up post cycle when you stop. since the hpta has a feedback loop is primarily controlled by estrogen, high estrogen will tell your hpta to produce less testosterone, because it thinks the high estrogen is caused by too much testosterone. this is fact. Now post cycle, don’t we want to raise our test levels, not lower them? of course! so rebounds are bad. if you use letro taper the dose off to zero over a couple weeks.

Regards, TW

[mike man]

The bigest thing that jumps out out me is the overlap of your enanthate and your prop. Don't forget, enan has a pretty constant concentration in the blood for at least 10 days after your shot, so you want to time your prop shots at the end of that period so you don't have that huge spike of almost 1400-1500mg of test for that week or so. Try to keep them even so your body doesn't react negatively with excess estrogen and/or alpha-reductase 5 production.
Just my thoughts bro. Also you shouldn't have to take the nolva with the letro if it isn't absolutely neccesary.

[w8tlifterty]

Thanks a ton for the advice guys, you've been very helpfull....