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Why do my shots hurt so much??
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Old 08-30-2003, 02:39 PM
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Why do my shots hurt so much??

I originally posted this over at the kingsofiron board but I thought a lot of people would benifit from this so here it is...


Following the recipes posted above and using sterile techniques you have just finished your very own conversion. The vial sits proudly on your desk and you feel great knowing that you have actually made your own gear but now comes the fun part, it’s time to inject it. First off let me say that I would rather use my home gear over 90% of the crap that is floating around out there. I know the purity of my powders (for those of you who don’t have the lab equipment a simple melting test will suffice), I know the exact content of my BA concentration (a bacteriostatic substance that if too high concentration can hurt like a mother f..,anyone tried QV test E?), and finally I can customize the exact concentration that I want.

All of my conversions that I have made up to this point have been painless. What causes a painful injection you ask? There are several factors that can contribute to pain on injection. The first paragraph deals with user not knowing how to inject properly. When you inject you should stretch the skin with one hand and with the other hand holding the syringe like a dart. With a swift and steady motion you inject the needle to the desired depth. One of the biggest mistakes is that once the needle is in people inject too fast. It takes me on average about 90 seconds to inject 3 cc, not 9 seconds. Another hint is once the needle is in try to keep the syringe steady. If you are shaking it like you are trying to rub one off than ultimately the needle is going to damage the underlying tissue and you will be very sore the next day. Another mistake is that people do not rotate sites. You should only use one injection site per week. If you hit the same one day after day you are running the risk of solution stasis which can lead to an abscess =more pain.

The second type of pain that you can get from an injection is do to the substance you are injecting. If your BA concentration is too high (>10%) you are going to feel like a cannon hit you where you inject. You may also notice a redness at the site of the injection do to the body’s inflammatory response to the BA. To create a bacteriostatic environment you only need a 1-2% concentration, so why use more? I now make most of my conversion with just 3% BA and 6-15% BB (BB is painless but offers no benefit in regards to sterility). The problem with making gear is trying to get all of the powder dissolved in the oil. Since I use less BA I make up the difference in solubility with higher concentrations of BB.

A third reason is that the gear crystallizes in the depot. This is precisely why water based suspensions feel like someone hit you with a hammer. The water is absorbed fast, leaving the gear to crystallize in the tissues which causes increased pain. Even gear in oil can do this. If you decide to make a high concentration of lets propionate (500mg/ml) which is often too high of concentration than the oil will hold, what happens is the body absorbs the solvent faster than the oil/gear and the gear falls out of the solution and crystallizes in the depot and ends up causing you tremendous amounts of pain. This shows the importance of using the right concentrations of powder and BA/BB to hold the gear in the solution until the whole depot is absorbed= no pain.

There seems to be a misconception that the amount of the oil is what causes pain. This can add to the equation but is not the sole cause. Try it sometime, you can inject 3 cc of oil into your glute and the next day you will not even know you had a shot. For those of you who are making high concentration gear you are just asking for a painful injection. Ask yourself why are you making 500mg/ml? Is it so you can shoot less volume of the substance (this doesn’t make since IMO). In summary painful injections can be from multiple variables and there are ways to circumvent these problems when making gear.
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Old 08-31-2003, 01:01 AM
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very good post my friend. I agree with it all.
Id say Ip has made millions by now, he was just years
ahead of the rest of us. Homebrews are taking over
talk of almost all boards these days.
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