Which anti-e is your favorite

[kronah]

Which one anti-e do you guys like and use during the majority of your cycles? I'm not talking about what you use post recovery, this is what you use during your cycle. Thanks

[KAOTIKCHEM]

ha

None- I want bitch tits and a face like a chipmunk

That is the funniest thing I have seen all day!!ROTFLMAO

[rAJJIN]

Im in the chipmunk category hehe.
realy I just wanted to pop in here with my boys! kc and kronah.
Kronah Ill shoot you an email here in a few buddy.
rAJJ

[stunner]

having a chipmunk face is kind of funny, at least it can be removed from dieting down from contest, but the tits ill pass on. ive wanted to use arimidex but the price keeps me at bay so far.

[Vein]

Arimidex & Nolvadex

[Pawz]

Liquidex and Nolvadex, cant be to safe protecting yourself against bitch tits and water retention

[yardrock]

If you try Letro you will never go back

[twistedneck]

I've heard some peeps loose their drive while on letro. Arimidex not strong enough, Aromasin just right.. hmm.

[kronah]

Okay now that we have a good idea of what anti-e people are using, let’s have a friendly debate on which one is the best with regards to cost, efficacy, and your health. There a lot of new anti-estrogens coming out but from my experience, I personally think that Arimidex and Nolva are the best combination currently available. Nolvadex as most know is one of the best drugs available to combat beginning stages of gyno, it has been prescribed by physicians for individuals with gyno now for over 10 years. Now don’t get me wrong, I don’t think everyone needs to run Nolva throughout a cycle. As stated before in a previous post Nolva does negatively affect IGF levels which can hinder gains for a bodybuilder. For most, having Nolva on hand in case of signs of gyno appear will suffice. When gyno signs first begin (puffy, itchy nips, increased nipple sensitivity, small mass under the nipple), you would run the Nolvadex at 20-40mg per day in divided doses until symptoms diminish. I do however advocate Nolvadex for individuals who know from prior cycles that they are gyno prone. I unfortunately am one of those individuals and I usually run 10mg ed throughout my cycles. In my opinion, I would rather spend the extra $30 a cycle and deal with the negligible reduction in IGF levels than ending up with gyno and spending $5000 for surgery. I look at it as a type of insurance plan in preventing gyno. Something that is often overlooked with nolva is the positive effects it has on one’s cholesterol profile.

Let’s talk about Letrozole now. When this anti-e first came out everyone was raving about how great it was. Unfortunately studies have proven otherwise in certain areas. First, one study showed adding 20mg ed of nolva to people taking 2.5mg ed letro, reduced letro concentrations by almost 40%. So for those who take Nolva throughout their cycle this would not be the best combination. 2) Unlike Arimidex and aromasin, Letro in studies has been shown to cause a rebound effect when the drug is stopped. This means that after you stop the Letrozole, your estrogen rebounds and goes pretty high for a while, eventually it normalizes. You can avoid this by tapering your letro dose down before stopping it, but that is a pain in the ass. higher than normal can mess many things up post cycle when you stop. since the hpta has a feedback loop is primarily controlled by estrogen, high estrogen will tell your hpta to produce less testosterone, because it thinks the high estrogen is caused by too much testosterone. this is fact. Now post cycle, don’t we want to raise our test levels, not lower them? of course! so rebounds are bad. if you use letro taper the dose off to zero over a couple weeks.

Users should be cognizant of the fact that both Arimidex and Letrozole have a negative effect on cholesterol. The way these 2 anti e works are they inhibit the aromatase enzyme by inhibiting the enzyme which converts testosterone to estrogen, you reduce or even come close to eliminating estrogen production. The drawback to eliminating estrogen in the body is that your cholesterol goes up. This is why it is important for users who use these two drugs have their cholesterol checked at least once a year.

Arimidex dosages range from .15-1mg ed depending on how much testosterone you are running during you cycle. Arimidex is much more available today compared to aromasin. The golden rule for the dosage of Arimidex is .25mg of Arimidex per 250mg of test.
My thoughts on aromasin are as follows. Hands down aromasin is the strongest anti-e with little to no effect on one’s cholesterol levels. But it is also double the cost and harder to find than Arimidex or Letro. There are 7 research companies off the top of my head that sell Arimidex ($30-90) but I only can think of 2 that sells aromasin ($120-150). For those of you who don’t know aromasin works differently than letro or Arimidex. It does not stop the body from producing estrogen, rather, it makes it so the estrogen is unable to bind to receptors by deactivating the binding enzyme. if the estrogen cannot bind, you simply will not get bloated or get gyno. Unfortunately for aromasin users there has not been that much extensive testing and clinical trials done. The few that have been done actually display that Aromasin does not seem to work nearly as well in men as it does in women (where the majority of its studies were done). And the reports I have read on here would back that up wholeheartedly. My main argument against Aromasin is that there are many bros out there that only need very little estrogen suppression. For them to shell out the big bucks for aromasin when a much cheaper alternative will end with nearly the same result doesn’t make since. I think that aromasin for most is overkill and not worth the money.

[rAJJIN]

what about proviron?
if say your cost was 60usd for 150tab.
or even better yet they have it in powder form from china,
couldnt one just cap it and take it? same with cialis?
or what about winny can it be taken in caps and effective?

[kronah]

Proviron is a great drug but expensive. I use it now occasionaly for post cyle libido recovery. From my experience Arimidex does a much better job at keeping the bloat at bay during a cycle. You can easily make your own orals by capping your own pills. Can do this for any of the 17 AA. So yes you can cap proviron,cilias, winny, dbol, anavar, anadrol,nolva, etc...anything you take orally you can cap. rAJJ check you email. Check your email bro.

[twistedneck]

Kronah, thanks again for taking care of us over here. I planned on .25mg a day to start off.. is there anything besides blood work that will tell me i'm taking to much armidex each day? Since i'll be running masteron throughout for well being and sex drive i don't think that will be a good marker for too much anti e. thanks again bro. twistedneck.

[kronah]

Twistedneck,

Not everyone will agree with me on nolva & Arimidex as being the best combo. Everyone has different genetics and gets very different results on each of the anti-e. I am not a big letro or aromasin fan and I was hoping for those that use these would share with us why these use them.

To answer your question about Arimidex there is no lab test other than a free estrogen test that could tell you if you are using too much or to little. Chances are your insurance company will not pay for this. I usually stick to the crude rule of .25mg a day for every 250mg of test I use. I still get wonderful gains from test cycles of 250mg (usually cycle with dbol for first 4-6 weeks and also run the test throughout the cycle with either Deca or EQ). I run the Arimidex every day at .25mg and ever since I have used it in my cycles I never have experienced any signs of gyno or bloat. There is no magic number for the dose, some users will take .50mg if they are using 500mg a day. I think anything over .50mg a day is overkill. There have been studies that have shown that .25mg of Arimidex a day decreases estrogen by 86%.

I usually try to get both my lipids (cholesterol) as well as my renal & liver functions before and after my cycle. When I am on Arimidex my cholesterol has gone up about 20 points compared to similar cycles that I have run without it-but still is within the normal range. Just tell your doctor that you are going to try the new Atkins diet and you want to have a baseline labs to make sure your lipids, renal, and liver functions are normal. Then after 3-4 months return to your doc and say that you have been doing the Atkins diet for 3 months and that you want to make sure that it didn’t screw up your labs. This is what I have done with my doc and it has worked like a charm. I didn’t really want to him that I was using AS for many reasons (this is whole other debate though). If your cholesterol is up (LDL >120) you may benefit from taking a lose medication like Niacin or Lipitor. I can stress the importance of lab testing. Many users don’t think about the long term effects of what they are doing until it is too late. I believe steroid use can be healthy if the proper precautions are taken, lab testing is one of these.

[BIGKIWI]

Don't use anti-e :) have only ever used about 5 tabs armidex that was the week before show to try get rid bit water apart from that never use

[treny]

what about femara,,,,,, great stuff.....

[twistedneck]

Treny, Femara can cause estrogen rebound and some bro's complained about low sex drive on it.. - mabye because it worked too good. TW

[kronah]

femura can potentially kill your sex drive and when combined with nolva the efficacy decreases by 40%. Not the best choice in my opinion.

[treny]

hummmmm I have tried the liquafemara,, and it did good.... STK is the one that told me about it.... and he loved it to.... JMO

[DamageInc]

Arimidex. If price is a problem there are plenty of bootlegger suppling it.

DamageInc

"When in doubt...choke em out"

[IronMike]

I have just experimented with femera, largely cos my main problems over time came with a build-up of E during my cycle and hurting towards the end and straight after.

Femera did the job nicely and was cheap, so I'm happy with that for now. IronMike

[xcelbeyond]

I like to use letrozole during cycle and anastrozole through post cycle clomid therapy.

xcel

[twistedneck]

xcelbeyond, that is the first time i've ever heard of using two aromatase inhibitors in one cycle. Are you using arimidex post cycle to kick start your FSH production? I don't think arimidex does much for LH production.. Animal uses adex post cycle too..

[Ry Roid]

1. Aromasin
2. Femara
3. Arimidex
4. Nolvadex
5. Clomid
6. Proviron

RY