friend needs help...

riv · #1 (**permalink**) 08-20-2003, 02:58 AM

okay so one of the guys a train with has done 2 cycles so far, both were of sust 500mg and 30mgdbol for 10 wks, now i think he got some fake shit both times cuz he didnt grow very much. anyway that was just backround info, this guy tells me he wants to try deca, cuz its the safest AS, and he doest wanna run anything called test ( like enath, cyp, prop) but he will do sust( which is 4tests) i just need you guys to post and say YES there is a bloat from deca and possible deca dick at high doses, and tests ( cyp, enath, prop) are safe since he had no sides from runnin sust. with normal post therapy. also, he said a 23/25 gauge 1in pin is not big enough, and 5/8 in is out of the question. i mean the kid is 6 1 165lbs, so i think 2 cycles would have put some meat on his bones, but i have seen him before, during and after and i saw no change.

JW · #2 (**permalink**) 08-20-2003, 04:44 AM

hey i'm not trying to sound like a real dick here, but it's going to come arcoss that way tho.

my question is, has he tried eating?

No matter how much test he takes or how much juice no matter what it is, he's not going to gain shit if he's not eating. and dude, if he's 6'1 and 165, i think thats anorexic.

now to answer your ?, when he gets his nutrition in order, i'd suggest a nice test/fina cycle.

JW

Bigbadasian · #3 (**permalink**) 08-20-2003, 08:54 AM

|--[\\\\]>------- I'm confused...this guy makes no sense, doesn't want to do test, but will do sus? a 23g or 25g is too small? so he wants a BIGGER needle? everything he says is backwards...maybe he should read some more B4 trying another cycle....Yes deca will make you hld H20...that is why many ppl use Eq over deca pre-contest. And it will hold H20 just like sus250 does. and YES, deca at high doses will cause deca dick..that is why many ppl throw in a shit load of prop in their cycles to help combat this...this makes no sense to me, i'm sorry.

BronSon · #4 (**permalink**) 08-20-2003, 09:33 AM

6`--- 165lbs
I would say training and diet need to be worked on before the juice...

Daveb19 · #5 (**permalink**) 08-20-2003, 10:11 AM

let his ass learn on his own, deca isnt the safest, anavar/primo is but he has no $ for that im sure or the patience... test is very save if used right, sus like u said if 4 esters no diff then cyp, enath, prop... IMO ur boy needs to get down his diet/training first then worry about cyclign 3 cyclis at that weight, i was 202 5'9 about 8-9% when I started my first cycle at 20.

riv · #6 (**permalink**) 08-20-2003, 12:49 PM

thanks guys, all of you have said the same things i have told him already.

-23/25 gauge is fine
-deca dick and h20 retention
-4 esters of sust is no diff then cyp, enath, prop
- oh yeah, he said his diet & training was fine

last nite when i talked to him he pissed me right off, he says that I AM CRAZY FOR RUNNIN QV GEAR CUZ ITS "VET" STUFF! i mean he flat out refuses to take anyting thats vet, in his words"leave it for your fuckin pets" i tried to tell him its good stuff, very popular, safe, but he wont have it. this kids like my brother, but fuck does he piss me off when we talk about gear. i'm gonna email him this link just to shut him up