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First Cycle, Re-thought: need opinions
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Old 08-18-2003, 06:39 PM
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First Cycle, Re-thought: need opinions

Ok, i had posted a question when i had signed on on this board, and was going the wrong way towards my first cycle. Now i have done a bit more research, and my begginer's cycle will be looking like this (something common):

Stats: 23yrs / 5'6 / 175lbs / 16%bf
Goal: 15 - 20lbs of muscle

Week / Test Enanthate / D-Bol / Nolvadex
1...............200mg............30mg.....20mg/ed
2...............400mg............30mg.....20mg/ed
3...............400mg............30mg.....20mg/ed
4...............400mg............30mg.....20mg/ed
5...............400mg..............off........20mg/ed
6...............400mg..............off........20mg/ed
7...............400mg..............off........20mg/ed
8...............400mg..............off........20mg/ed
9................off....................off....... .20mg/ed
10..............off....................off........ 20mg/ed

Iwant to gain about 15-20lbs of muscle. Then will clean out my diet to try to get rid of the fat. Will my goals be possible? Had a question, since this is my first cycle, what is a better Test Enanthate? Brovel or Tornel labs? Basically those are my choices. Also, I will be running Nolvadex everyday cuz I don't even want to risk gyno, is this a good idea? And is 20mg/ed a good dosage? I have been told/read that it also keeps the bloat down. Thanx for any info!

1 More thing: I will also be running Clen 2 weeks on/ 2 weeks off post cycle to keep my intensity/strength up & to start losing some fat. Thanx again
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Old 08-18-2003, 06:55 PM
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|--[\\\]>----------- IMO, you don't need to take nolv. all the way thoruhg...use it only when needed. Also, run at least 400-600 mgs of enan. a week and dbol is good, you can run it one more week if you like. With this, you will hold a good amt. of water, esp. with the dbol. in 8 weeks, 15-20 lbs of muslce will be hard, you WILL gain a considerable amt. of weight but a lot of it will be H20.
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Old 08-18-2003, 07:00 PM
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Lookin a hell of a lot better then before.
I agree with bba if you want an anti-e to run throughout
go with Proviron if you can get it other then the nolva.
Tornell and Brovel= same differance.
Lot of guys think Tornell is a bit better but I think they
are all the same. Goodluck
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Old 08-18-2003, 07:06 PM
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looks good, follow what BBA and rAJJIN said, also make sure you have clomid and/or HCG for post cycle. good luck
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Old 08-18-2003, 07:28 PM
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I also think you should drop that bf comp % down a little before starting....16 % is a bit high...
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Old 08-18-2003, 07:48 PM
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Ivan, I noticed your response about cutting the BF down to 10% before doing a cycle in a few other posts too.. What is the rationalle, does the body respond better at lower fat? Is it almost like a waste of gear?

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Old 08-18-2003, 07:51 PM
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thanx for replies! From what i've read, i thought clomid/nolva were about the same thing. That there was not really a big difference? Correct me if i am wrong. As for the BF%. I too was thinking of dropping down a bit, but to me, if i keep my diet strictly clean for the whole 10 weeks, can't i reduce on getting xtra blubber? After the cycle of course, i will change my diet to a cutting one. Thanx for the info guys! I will be running the Test 400mg/wk for 10wks w/nolva starting on the 4th week. Is 20mg ed sufficient enough? Thanx for the replies!(w)
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Old 08-18-2003, 08:20 PM
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clomid causes some people problems so they use nolva post cycle. i would raise the test to 600mg/wk, nolva during a cycle IF you see signs of gyno, look into HCG if your worried about your boys. and ivan ment to reduce your BF% before you start, its a good idea to get into that habit of eating right, then when your on it will be like second nature to eat every 2 hiours.
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