What is a good steroid oral to take?

learning · #1 (**permalink**) 08-13-2003, 03:35 AM

I'm trying to find out what is a good oral to take to do a cutting or to slim down. I personally do the injects but have a friend that wants to do only oral because he's afraid of the shot. I know that some of you will probably take this to a joke and thats fine but if there are any serious builders out there please help. I'm just trying to give my freind the best info possible because as most of you and me I don't know everything. I know there is a lot of valuable info on here and hope you will help. Thanks

BUFFDADDY · #2 (**permalink**) 08-13-2003, 03:48 AM

Winstrol, Anavar, or primobolan should work.

learning · #3 (**permalink**) 08-13-2003, 04:01 AM

I've used winstrol in the liquid form and didn't like it. This guy is about 6'3" and about 300 pounds. He's not fat just a overall big guy. He doesn't want to be noticed of using steroids but only wants to use for about a month. I told him it's unrealistic but said I would talk to the experts for him. I have a great conection for the product just want as much info as possible. Thanks. If you would only take a oral what would it be if you had his size? I know its hard to guage from just a description but he has the mass just wants to be a litlle bigger and to trim up a little too. Thanks for the help guys.

fallen · #4 (**permalink**) 08-13-2003, 04:04 AM

winstrol, halotestin, anavar do a search lots of good info and proper stacking info out there

learning · #5 (**permalink**) 08-13-2003, 04:06 AM

He's a first time user and never has touched a roid in his life. Should he stack or just go with something that will be easy?

paperbolix · #6 (**permalink**) 08-13-2003, 04:08 AM

for a first time user:
train hard and eat BIG.

Weeks 1-10 Test cyp 500mg pw
Weeks 1-6 D-bol 20-25mg ed

Have nolva on hand for possible estrogenic sides. Run nolva and/or clomid post cycle.

learning · #7 (**permalink**) 08-13-2003, 04:15 AM

You guys have been helpful but he really doens't want to stack yet. He just wants small gains and to trim down. If there was one oral roid you would take to trim up what would it be? I would take dbol myself but that would be for size. He just wants small increases and I have no idea about that. I just try to get big he already is and just wants to look big. I'm sorry for being an so stupid about this but just want to help him out without turning him the wrong direction. Thanks guys.

NUTSOE · #8 (**permalink**) 08-13-2003, 06:33 AM

if he just wants to trim down clen by its lonesome

Ivan · #9 (**permalink**) 08-13-2003, 11:09 AM

Look man, there are some things you really need to know first....

#1: ok he is 300 pounds? And he is does not want people to think he is juicing? Let's not be silly here...
#2: get his diet in order, cut carbs down to a minimum...
#3: forget juice, diet and do some ECA's or like Nutsoe said, clenbuterol...
#4: No steroid makes you "cut". NONE....Now with that said, there are some compounds out there that do not have the water retention that comes with others.....that is where the whole cutting steroids come from. When there is less water retention, the muscles are harder and appear more ripped. do not be fooled into thinking that it will just melt the fat off...only diet and training does that..now GH, clen, DNP, ECA's,yohimbe, these are drugs that do burn fat too some degree....

If I was your friend this is what I would do....
For prolly 6 months I would diet like a mofo, train hard and do adequate cardio....I would also take an ECA OR clen at this point... since he already has considerable size, he has a lot of potential.....DIET is key... protein, protein, protein....

THEN after I was down to 10% I would do this cycle: (again this is if I was him)
Ok when he has made signifigant progress
EQ or Fina --- EQ 6 - 800mgs a week FIna --- 75mg ED
Sust --- 1 amp EOD (250mg)
Anavar -- 30 - 50mg ED
GH -- 6-10 iu ED
T-3 -- .25mcg ED
Maybe some clen...

This would be the way to go IMO...

HellaYella · #10 (**permalink**) 08-13-2003, 11:25 AM

dieting and training first....when u are at an acceptable bodyfat like 10-12% then u can use winny or anavar

Daveb19 · #11 (**permalink**) 08-13-2003, 09:46 PM

tell ur friend to tough up or stay away from gear. u avoid inj u will get no where in this sport.

learning · #12 (**permalink**) 08-13-2003, 10:53 PM

Thanks guys you have all been helpfull.

Ivan · #13 (**permalink**) 08-14-2003, 08:04 AM

Seriously though... Too many times have I seen big guys like the one you described that just YEARN and dream about having the beach body, and so deperately like abs etc...BUT they also like being big too...And they think there is a type of anabolic steroid that will just get you "cut".... If this guy has commitment, and is totally dedicated to his diet and his will to change, he could be a freak... Already has good size...what % do you think he is at?

learning · #14 (**permalink**) 08-14-2003, 11:36 PM

He's already dieting and working out pretty hard and has lost some fat. I would guess he is somewhere around 20% or maybe a little less. He doesn't want to get down to around to 10% or less he shooting for somewhere between 12 and 15 for starts.

kronah · #15 (**permalink**) 08-15-2003, 12:59 AM

Great post Ivan, you hit the nail on the head on this one and I personally agree with Daveb19. If your friend is too squeamish to use injectables I don't think he should be using any steroids at all. Oral cylces are crap in my opinion and a waist of money. They are wonderful addition to a cycle. The cycle that Ivan posted is a good one, just one of many, but your friend should include an injectable testosterone as the base of his cycle. Until he is below 10-12& I would diet and do cardio at 80% target heart rate for 30 minutes 4x a week.

I am a big advocate of clenbuterol. Assuming your friend does not have high blood pressure and does not have any cardiac problems I would suggest purchasing some liquid-clen (liquid research has it very cheap $55), depending on the person you can lose between 5-15 lbs in two weeks. Clenbuterol also has an anti-catabolic effect on muscle tissue so he doesn't have to worry about any muscle atrophy.

clen dosing cycle
Day1: 20mcg
Day2: 40mcg
Day3: 60mcg
Day4: 80mcg
Day5: 80mcg(Note: Increase the dose only when the side effects are tolerable)
Day6-Day12: 100mcg
Day13: 80mcg (Tapering is not necessary, but it helps some users get back to normal gradually)
Day14: 60mcg
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17-30: ECA

Once he is at 10-12% then start to research/plan the cycle. Until then diet, cardio, and clen.

Ivan · #16 (**permalink**) 08-15-2003, 03:36 AM

Thanks Kronah -- but I did include test in my cylce....hee hee...

Anyway, 12-15 % BF is not low enough IMO... Why on earth does he not want to get to 10 or less? ten percent is about perfect for starting a cylce....if he is impatient and for some reason thinks getting to 10 % is a bad idea, he is not going to achieve the goals of being ripped etc....as you said he wanted to get cut... Why waste time and $$ ? GET TO 10%, THEN JUICE> simple as that.

kronah · #17 (**permalink**) 08-15-2003, 04:03 AM

I agree with you Ivan 100%on the BF issue and getting cut, hopefully he follows your advice.

For the record I know you included test (4 different blends I might add :) I just wanted to make the point that even if he doesn't follow your cycle advice that he at least runs a cycle with an injectable test as a foundation and then others of his choosing anavar, eq, tren etc.. when his BF is <10%

I personally think that running a cycle without an injectable testosterone is like building a house without a foundation.

Ivan · #18 (**permalink**) 08-15-2003, 04:54 AM

Ahhh gotcha...