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Old 08-10-2003, 05:12 AM
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any substitute for alcohol?

i just turned 21 and my friends usually go out, and i like to go out and have a good time,, mainly for the women...haha

the thing is i wont drink while im on cycle, but occasionally i will when im off.. im looking for something as an alternative to drinking, i dont want all the cals from drinking, dont wanna feel like shit the next day, and i have heard that alcohol actually burns muscle...?

also im not talking like heroin or anything,, haha just something mild that gives you something close to the same feeling.

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Old 08-10-2003, 06:58 AM
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G bro :) heaps better for you will make you grow as well ::)
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Old 08-10-2003, 07:23 AM
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pussy gets me high as a Mo`fo :)
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Old 08-10-2003, 08:11 AM
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I agree with big kiwi G is the ticket the problem is there has been such a big crack down on it its hard to find. G gets you a buzz and is actually is good to workout with and great for sleep. Vitamin G is the best
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Old 08-11-2003, 11:18 AM
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Alcohol will make the build-up process of muscle harder but it won't actually burn muscle
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Old 08-11-2003, 06:31 PM
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hey guys thanks for the replies, ill have to give that a try, im just a moderate drinker, so heck i might use it every other weekend at the most.

thanks again,

GJ
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Old 08-14-2003, 06:20 AM
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Todd, I definately agree. I like the way I feel while I'm drinking but the guilt kills me the next day. We will have to check into the alternative. (Can't tell BOB) inside joke.
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Old 08-14-2003, 06:38 AM
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i'll be honest i drink 4-5 days a week since age 16 now im 20. in this time peroid ive came along way.... im sure i could have done better w/o the alcholol but bodybuilding isnt everything, a social life is something a young guy needs to stay sane. I would like to cut it down to alteast weekends only though.
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G is the best alternative
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Old 08-14-2003, 05:42 PM
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G is the best alternative

I liked 'G' when it was available. I can't seem to get it anymore. No hangovers, great sleep, enhanced sexual response, enhanced GH production, easy on te liver etc. Damn I wish I could get a hold of some.
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Old 08-14-2003, 07:17 PM
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"enhanced sexual response.." hmmm. im there man..haha

this stuff should be called the miracle drug then.. the hell with steroids, i think ive found something better..lol


i know a guy overseas, im just skeptical w/ customs.. they might come to my house if they find that.. opinions?

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Old 08-14-2003, 11:43 PM
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if you are caught with G you are FUCKED be careful
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Old 08-15-2003, 02:27 PM
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It's easy and fairly cheap to make. All you need are four ingredients 1) NaOH (easy to find) 2) denatured ethanol and methanol (also easy to find) 3) Gamma-butyrolactone (this one is sometimes difficult to find, it's typically used as a solvent for plastic polymers, as an acrylic paint remover, and as light weight lubricant. It would be good to remember this b/c when ordering it they may ask you what you are using it for. You can order all the chemical right on the net just do a search using Dejanews or google. There are also places that sell the kits but in my opinion they are way over priced. In summary it's very easy and inexpensive to make.
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Old 08-15-2003, 02:30 PM
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Here is a great overview of GHB that I found in my archieve for those of you who are, or are thinking, of using it. Personally I like to learn everything there is to know about a drug before taking it, hope this sheds some light on GHB.

GHB:
Substance: Gamma Hydroxy Butyrate
Description: GHB (Gamma-hydroxybutyrate) is both a metabolite and precursor of the inhibitory neurotransmitter GABA (gamma-aminobutyric acid, or gamma-aminobutyrate), another nutrient to which it bears a close structural relationship. GHB, however, does not act directly on GABA receptor sites. It is has come to be used in Europe as a general anesthetic, a treatment for insomnia and narcolepsy (a daytime sleeping disorder), an aid to childbirth (increasing strength of contractions, decreasing pain, and increasing dilation of the cervix), a treatment for alcoholism and alcohol withdrawal syndrome, and for many other uses.

During the 1980s, GHB was widely available over-the-counter in health-food stores, purchased largely by body-builders for its ability to stimulate growth hormone release which aids in fat reduction and muscle building. In the last few years it has been gaining popularity as a "recreational" drug offering a pleasant, alcohol-like, hangover-free "high" with potent prosexual effects. For the thirty years prior to 1990, the scientific papers on GHB were unanimous in reporting numerous beneficial physiological effects and the absence of long-term negative effects. There are no documented reports of long-term [detrimental] effects. Nor is there any evidence for physiologic addiction." GHB is not approved in the US and was been banned from over-the-counter sale by the FDA as of November 8th, 1990. GHB continues to be sold to legitimate laboratories and scientists for research purposes, but selling it specifically for human consumption, especially while making claims about its health benefits, is a violation of current FDA regulations and policy.

Most users find that GHB induces a pleasant state of relaxation and tranquility. Frequent effects are placidity, sensuality, mild euphoria, and a tendency to verbalize. Anxieties and inhibitions tend to dissolve into a feeling of emotional warmth, wellbeing, and pleasant drowsiness. One of the best things about GHB is the fact that you won't suffer any "hang-over" effects that you typically would if you had consumed an abundance of alcohol the night before. GHB has no toxic effects on the liver, kidney or other organs. Reports that doses as high as twenty to thirty grams per twenty-four hour period have been used for several days without negative consequences. The main side effects that are most commonly experienced are drowsiness, dizziness, nausea, and sometimes vomiting. More unusual and extreme reactions have included diarrhea, lack of bladder control, temporary amnesia, and sleep-walking. Whatever side effects may be noted, they are often much more severe when GHB is combined with other central nervous system depressants such as alcohol or other downers. GHB is a very interesting compound and has several effects that would be desireable for bodybuilders and athletes in general.

The following is a list of the desired effects:

1) Increasing natural growth hormone secretion-experts observed increases in plasma GH over a period of 90 minutes after GHB took effect. These plasma GH levels reached a peak of nearly 40 ng/ml. This lead researchers to conclude that GHB supplementation stimulates the secretion of GH by the pituitary gland in human subjects. It may cause a release of GH by modifying the amount of serotonin available to the nerve terminals. One Japanese study reported nine-fold and sixteen-fold increases in growth hormone 30 and 60 minutes respectively after intravenous administration of 2.5 grams of GHB in six healthy men between the ages of twenty-five and forty. GH levels were still seven-fold higher at 120 minutes. At the same time GH is being released, prolactin levels also rise. Serum prolactin levels increase in a similar time-dependent manner as GH, peaking at five-fold above baseline at 60 minutes. This effect, unlike the release of GH, is entirely consistent with GHB's inhibition of dopamine. Other compounds which lessen dopamine activity in the brain (such as the neuroleptic Thorazine) have been shown to result in prolactin release. Although prolactin tends to counteract many of the beneficial effects of GH, the sixteen-fold increases in GH probably overwhelm the five-fold increases in prolactin.

2) Contributing to anabolism and lypolysis-GHB activates a metabolic process known as the "pentose pathway" which plays an important role in the synthesis of protein within the body. It also causes a "protein sparing" effect which reduces the rate at which the body breaks down its own proteins. These properties, along with GHB's effect on growth hormone, underlie its common use as an aid to muscle-building and fat loss.

3) Inducing and improving sleep quality-The most remarkable facet of GHB-induced sleep is its physiological resemblance to normal sleep. For instance, GHB sleep is characterized by increased levels of carbon dioxide in the arteries, as in normal sleep. During normal and GHB sleep, the CNS continues to be responsive to "noxious stimuli" (pain and other irritations), a factor which sets limits on GHB's uses in anesthesia. GHB facilitates both REM (rapid eye movement) sleep, and "slow-wave" (non-REM) sleep, the stage of sleep featuring increased release of growth hormone. And unlike the unconsciousness induced by other anesthetics, that triggered by GHB does not feature a systemic decrease in oxygen consumption. GHB temporarily inhibits the release of dopamine in the brain. This may cause increased dopamine storage, and later increased dopamine release when the GHB influence wears off. This effect could account for the middle-of-the-night wakings common with use of higher GHB doses, and the general feelings of increased well-being, alertness and arousal the next day.

4) Helping to reduce body cortisol levels-this would make this drug or supplement or whatever classification you want to call it anti-catabolic.

5) Improving Sex-scientists have identified four main prosexual properties of GHB: a) Loss of sexual inhibition-markedly among most women, b) heightening of the sense of touch (tactility), c) enhancement of male erectile capacity, d) increased intensity of orgasm.

Women often report that GHB makes their orgasms longer and more intense, as well as more difficult or time-consuming to achieve, especially at higher doses. As with its other effects, GHB's impact on female orgasm seems highly sensitive to small adjustments in dosage.

Effective Dose: The effects of GHB can generally be felt within five to twenty minutes after ingestion. They usually last no more than one and a half to three hours, although they can be indefinitely prolonged through repeated dosing. The effects of GHB are very dose-dependent. Small increases in the amount ingested lead to significant intensification of the effect. Higher levels feature greater giddiness, silliness, and interference with mobility and verbal coherence, and maybe even dizziness. Even higher doses usually induce sleep.

Determining the ideal dose is probably the trickiest aspect of working with GHB. The amount required for a given level of effect will vary from person to person, and the dose-response curve is fairly steep. Overestimating the dose can have consequences ranging in seriousness from ruining your plans for the evening to waking up in the emergency ward as a result of panic on the part of concerned-but-uninformed friends or relatives.

Once you have found the levels that give you the effects you desire, they will remain consistent. Tolerance to GHB does not develop. However, recent (not current) alcohol consumption may decrease the effect of a given dose of GHB. Most people find that a dose in the range of 0.75-1.5 grams is suitable for prosexual purposes, and that a quantity in the range of 2.5 grams is sufficient to force sleep.

Some people think that GHB might lower potassium levels and should therefore be taken with potassium supplementation. Some research papers have identified such an effect, others have not. If you want to play it safe, take a potassium supplement equal to 10% of the GHB dose.

Street Price: This stuff sells on the street for between $2 - 3 per gram. I would be wary though since you cannot tell how watered down the product is since it is clear and you don't know what kind of impurities are present when buying this stuff on the street.
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Old 08-15-2003, 05:04 PM
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drink winny of liquid dbol. gear gives a better high and sense of well being than alcahol ever will. the funds spent on beer = funds for a better cycle.
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Old 08-19-2003, 09:38 AM
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Im glad I dont have a problem with alcohol I hate the stuff
makes me feel like shit and really fills me,Im with Rajjin pussy gets me high
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Old 08-20-2003, 03:18 AM
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Pussy gets me high like Arnold said "i'm cumming all the time" but its like crack you crash fucking hard on pussy.. Women can be nutts!

Btw, did you see the 20/20 special on the guy hooked on GHB and his kid taped him freaking out every night.. forget that shit.
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Old 08-21-2003, 11:39 PM
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my x girl called me up the day after that 20/20 episode was on and was freaking out, making sure that i didnt use it.. i didnt think she really cared that much about me,,haha.. i didnt see it but she was saying the dude was having seizures and flipping out.. but its like anything that you abuse, you will pay the consequences.. i would use something maybe 2 times per month or once per week at the most.

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Old 08-22-2003, 02:34 AM
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The only "substance" that I have used as a substitute for alcohol was pain meds....I got this from fighitng -- shit Riv might soon see this, but MAN, all the fighters after a fight would usually stay at the same hotel --- joints would be passed around --- and so would pills -- usually vics or oxy's ---- my GOD Kerr would slam so much nubain in his arm I was shocked....but I have to admit --- sometimes I (I am totally getting away from them) will take an oxy here or there... But now I am on a strict diet and training clean for 3 months (I got a trainer = iabadman) so at the Arnold I will not be dwarfed!
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Old 08-22-2003, 04:11 AM
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Yeah I watched a special with KERR and that man had no problem after a fight to ask the doc there for some NARCS. He was very verbal about it since the Doc could barelyu speak english.

My buddy IVAN - I have seen him in the past with a few OXY's after his lady removed his ingrown toe nail...NIPPLY is a freak like that she loves to explore and see what does what and how things are removed. I am glad to hear that you have the OXY's under control, i was worried about you a couple years back. Not to get too personal :)

You need to get up here and go train with me once or twice a month??

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Old 08-22-2003, 05:18 AM
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Steak will be calling you soon man.

Ps --- this just blows but looks like I am going to have to have nipply remove another toenail DAMN!!!
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Old 08-22-2003, 06:19 AM
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ghb is extreamly adictive, and the withdraws are terrible. not to mention the federal crack down on it. too much trouble in my oppinion...freak
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Old 09-04-2003, 09:35 AM
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Valium, Xanax, or X. G is too hard to find these days. 5 years ago I used to be able to get a liter for $27 from my local Science shop. Just walk right in and say "One gallon of gamm butyrolactone please." Too bad he closed down cuz he went to jail for selling the ingredients to make X across the country. He was the focus on an MSNBC special!
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