Estrogen rebound

[dragon06]

Ive heard its something you can get after using nolva. What is it and what are the side effects of it?

[Daveb19]

test leaves the system once u come come off estrogen suppresses and is the primary hormone, not good.

[ryubrir]

yes... if you stop taking nolva, after you have been on it during your cycle and suddenly come off it, your estrogen is fre to find it's suddenly "unblocked" receptors.... since nolva is only a "synthetic estrogen mimicker"... so it competes with estrogen at the receptor sites displacing them... hence blocking your actual estrogen from entering the receptor sites....so what happens when all this free unbound estrogen is available to bind to the suddenly freed estrogen receptor sites when you stop blocking the sites with nolva??

you got it!!!! the actual REAL estrogen goes and binds...and suddenly when binding, you suffer from REAL estrogen induced side effects!!! got it??


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Ryu

[HellaYella]

when can it occur..can it occur like for example: three months after a cycle?

[twistedneck]

I have heard of estrogen rebound up to 3 months after a cycle, but that was due to something else going on (low endogenious T production) not high e. it was a f'd up T to E ratio. I'm coming off using nelson's new 'post cycle' from protein factory. Also, i'm planning femara and nolva all the way to 3 weeks past cycle ending. overkill - yup.

[Jeroen]

So what do you do when you get a rebound ?
Certainly not taking Nolva again I presume?

[twistedneck]

Jeroen, did some more researching on Elite, there is a guy named "Hard" who had this same issue. Although, nobody really said the knew exactly what to do..



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Hey bros

They say time heals all wounds - well the time was just under 3 months from the time my left nipple started itching, 13 weeks post cycle ( estrogen rebound), and the time I could no longer feel a trace of lump or pain. Yes I used anastroz. all through and up until the end of a proper clomid finish-but it got me anyways.

Man I'll tell you I was quite convinced that my only cure would be surgery. It F'in hurt like hell for weeks.There did seem to be a direct correlation between the amount of heavy lifting I did at the gym and a reduction in size and tenderness, a fact that i will definitely remember in my next recovery phase.

Now that I have been out of the woods for more than 2 months my question is am I now more susceptable to gyno? And any suggestions on how to prevent estregen rebound 10-15 weeks post cycle would be much appreciated.

Thanks guys


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[kronah]

Let me take a shot at better explaining estrogen rebound, anyone feel free to chime in if you disagree or have any other opinions.

When one comes off a cycle your body's androgens are at an all time low do to the suppression of the HPTA. (in layman's terms during a cycle your hypothalamus and pituitary are saying hey this guy is giving us all this testosterone so it responds by producing less hormones LH&FSH).
Okay, now after a cycle your body is no longer getting exogenous androgens (since you're not jabbing your ass) and the body compensates by over producing estrogen in order to keep steroid levels up. As a consequence, we know that estrogen inhibits natural testosterone, and as a result, a lot of mass is ultimately lost. This in short is estrogen rebound.
Now to overcome the estrogen rebound you have two options post cycle, either run clomid or nolvadex for 3-5 weeks depending on the length of your cycle. Both Nolva and clomid act at the estrogen receptors binding to them so that estrogen in the body cannot function. The purpose of blocking the estrogen receptors is to allow the hypothalamus to regenerate natural testosterone production in the body. Now comes the debates, well which one is better clomid or nolva? The choice depends on several factors: side effects, cost, health conditions and availability. I personally like running nolva post cycle. The reason is I do not get visual side effects like I do with clomid. I don't get acne like with clomid, nor do I get mood swings like I get on clomid. The final reason I enjoy nolva is that it has a positive impact on both your HDL and LDL, which after a cycle are usually abnormal. Certainly both of these two meds work very well and in the end it comes down to personal preference. Hope this helps everyone. Please feel to give opinions.

[Daveb19]

Originally posted by kronah
Let me take a shot at better explaining estrogen rebound, anyone feel free to chime in if you disagree or have any other opinions.

When one comes off a cycle your body's androgens are at an all time low do to the suppression of the HPTA. (in layman's terms during a cycle your hypothalamus and pituitary are saying hey this guy is giving us all this testosterone so it responds by producing less hormones LH&FSH).
Okay, now after a cycle your body is no longer getting exogenous androgens (since you're not jabbing your ass) and the body compensates by over producing estrogen in order to keep steroid levels up. As a consequence, we know that estrogen inhibits natural testosterone, and as a result, a lot of mass is ultimately lost. This in short is estrogen rebound.
Now to overcome the estrogen rebound you have two options post cycle, either run clomid or nolvadex for 3-5 weeks depending on the length of your cycle. Both Nolva and clomid act at the estrogen receptors binding to them so that estrogen in the body cannot function. The purpose of blocking the estrogen receptors is to allow the hypothalamus to regenerate natural testosterone production in the body. Now comes the debates, well which one is better clomid or nolva? The choice depends on several factors: side effects, cost, health conditions and availability. I personally like running nolva post cycle. The reason is I do not get visual side effects like I do with clomid. I don't get acne like with clomid, nor do I get mood swings like I get on clomid. The final reason I enjoy nolva is that it has a positive impact on both your HDL and LDL, which after a cycle are usually abnormal. Certainly both of these two meds work very well and in the end it comes down to personal preference. Hope this helps everyone. Please feel to give opinions.

a lot of people have changed thier minds on clomid being supperior over nolva, I posted an artical on the topic at PM a while back.

[kronah]

Daveb19,

From my personal experiences I am still unconvinced that one is more effective than the other. I've ended cycles with both and have gotten equal results (lose 15% Muscle gains post cycle). Since I get comparable results I take the next factor into consideration, side effects. I have terrible sides from clomid(acne, visual disturbances,mood lability) so for me nolva is a better option post cycle.

What is everyone using for post recovery? clomid, proviron, nolva?

[HellaYella]

damn that means I should have run nolva at 10mg post-cycle ED for two or three months post cycle in addition to the clomid?

[twistedneck]

No one is mentioning the 'giant loads' side effect of clomid. Is this true? I've heard nolvadex reduces your semen volume.. hence the rumor of peter north doing clomid ;)