my bitchy tits!

earlygraver · #1 (**permalink**) 08-01-2003, 06:35 AM

during my contest prep, my nips got pretty bitchy,like a small grape under each one. pretty sure it was from the tren@75mg. a day.three weeks post cycle my shit was all back to normal...i never had trouble with any of the other drugs i've used, including deca, and never ran anti-e's as part of a cycle, just started nolva when my nips started to act up...held it at bay but didn't make shit go away. i'll be steering clear of tren..so if i run test and eq, should i run anti-e's too, or wait to see if my nips start to act up again?

JJRabbit · #2 (**permalink**) 08-01-2003, 07:29 AM

It sounds like it's already begun...i would run anti's just in case...better safe than sorry...if you run nolv. just run it for short durations during your cycle....that is strange though that you have never gotten it from deca, but you did from tren..everyone that i know who takes tren and gets it, gets it from deca as well.

kronah · #3 (**permalink**) 08-01-2003, 08:34 PM

I agree with jjrabbit, it sounds like you are very gyno prone. Unfortunately I am the same way and this is because of your genetics. Some people can run massive dosages of any anabolic and not get gyno. If I were you I would run nolva at 20mg every day throughout the cycle as well as an anti-aromitization like liquidex at .25mg everyday throughout cycle. By running these two together you will suppress about 85% of the estrogen and will also alleviate most of the bloat. Just my 2 cents for all those fellow gyno prone individuals.

DTO. · #4 (**permalink**) 08-07-2003, 02:07 AM

tren and deca gyno are not from estrogen. you guys should know this.. deca is from elevated progesterone and tren from prolactin..

you need bromo,dostinex,or pergolide to combat these sides!

Bigbadasian · #5 (**permalink**) 08-07-2003, 07:21 AM

|--[\\\]>------- Maybe not nolv. thorughout entire cycle..it can hinder gains...i say only when sypmtoms appear...bromo is good..yes.

kronah · #6 (**permalink**) 08-07-2003, 01:58 PM

Please someone correct me if I am wrong about progesterone induced gyno but according to medical literature, except in those cases where strong synthetic progestins, like medroxyprogesterone, were administered. In these cases the gyno is due to suppression of LH and testosterone by the progestin, NOT by a direct effect on breast tissue. On a cycle your LH is already suppressed by the AAS anyway.

Breasts have two components: alveoli and ducts. The alveoli are what secrete milk; they drain into ducts. Gynecomastia is the result of ductal hyperplasia, not alveolar hyperplasia. Estrogen stimulates the ductal tissue, while progesterone stimulates the alveoli. Alveolar hyperplasia does not contribute to gyno. If you want to read more on breast development, I suggest visiting this site:

http://www.endotext.org/male/male14/male14.htm

Two drugs that have shown the greatest efficacy in treating gyno are nolvadex and Raloxifene another SERM. Nolvadex has been around longer but newer studies show that Raloxifene is supperior in attacking the problem at its source, the estrogen receptor. Bigbadasian is right, the consequence of running nolva throughout the cycle is a lowering of your IGF-1, not a good thing for making gains, but to me and people who are gyno prone an important option for prevention.