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Old 08-01-2003, 01:20 AM
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Anti-E's

ARIMIDEX® (anastrozole)
AROMASIN (Exemestane)
FEMARA (Letrozole)
Proviron (Mesterolone)


Which one? I'll be using Nolva too.. I read a ton but soo much information is out there i'm even more confused.

btw, I did hear that femara and nolvadex can not be used at the same time.. hmmm.

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Old 08-01-2003, 04:56 AM
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If you go with Arimidex there is no need IMO to use Nolva and 0.5mg a day should be fine with (from memory) upto about 1000mg test a week, over that look at useing 1mg a day. That's the only Anti-E (other that Nolva/Clomid) I've used and get great results, no bloat etc.
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Old 08-01-2003, 04:59 AM
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I would use proviron and no nolvadex.
never used any of the top 3 you have listed, i know some of them
are pricey though.

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Old 08-01-2003, 05:14 AM
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Been dieting bro, not been in a good mood so stayed off boards for a while, my comp is in the morning.
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Old 08-01-2003, 05:31 AM
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I always run ARIMIDEX® (anastrozole) with all my cycles at .25mg every day and have wonderful results; no excess bloat or puffy nips. Never tried proviron, do they make a liquid proviron like the arimidex?
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Old 08-01-2003, 05:45 AM
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ones i get are made by shering company.
not sure about a liquid but they do sell it in the powder form
from china.
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I use letrozole during cycle, although right now, Im going at it without using any (but of course I have it)...just seeing the difference as before I was paranoid about bitchies. Never used nolv so I couldnt tell you about using with letro.

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I am currently using letro 1/2cc day with great results no water or bloat!
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Old 08-01-2003, 11:27 PM
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I vote armidex and proviron or bromo if you can handle the sides.
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Old 08-07-2003, 09:02 PM
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Tman2002 how about arimidex, proviron, AND bromo in small amounts ED.Then finish up with nolvadex to restart your hpta and the end and keep taking armidex all the way through recovery..

What are the bad sides from bromo? I thought it boosed sex drive and helped you loose fat?
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Old 08-08-2003, 01:00 AM
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twistedneck bromo has many side effects. The most common are:

Dizziness or lightheadedness, especially when getting up from a lying or sitting position; nausea
Less common
Constipation; diarrhea; drowsiness or tiredness; dry mouth; leg cramps at night; loss of appetite; mental depression; stomach pain; stuffy nose; tingling or pain in fingers and toes when exposed to cold; vomiting
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Old 08-08-2003, 05:16 AM
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Thanks Kronah, those sides don't sound that bad.

Maxm, how much androgen is in your current cycle, 1/2 cc of letro is 1.25mg. That is 1/2 dose. Cy Wilson wrote that we only need a half dose or less too, for the same effect.

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Femara vs. Arimidex

Q: I hear a lot of people talking about femara on the Testosterone drug forum. What is it exactly and is it better than Arimidex?

A: Femara, or letrozole, belongs to the same class as anastrozole (Arimidex). They're both nonsteroidal aromatase inhibitors. Non-bootlegged letrozole is available as a 2.5 mg film-coated tablet in bottles of twenty. The half-life is about two days and absorption doesn't appear to be affected by food.

Even though 2.5 mgs per day is commonly used, 0.1 mg was shown to be just about as effective. Significant suppression of estradiol and estrone levels are typically seen within 24 hours of administration. (8, 9) As a side note, letrozole has been shown to cause a 38% reduction in plasma levels of tamoxifen when used concurrently, although I don't see why one would use the two together. (10)

Now, what about letrozole compared to anastrozole? Well, the following chart shows how various aromatase inhibitors did compared to one another (in vitro at least). (11)

Aminoglutethimide (Cytadren)… 1

Formestane… 60

Exemestane… 60

Anastrozole (Arimidex)… 200

Letrozole (Femara)… 200

Vorozole… 1000

Now, what does this mean? Well, in vitro, the two appear to be equivalent in potency. However, as you know, in vitro assessments aren't always accurate when compared to results that occur in vivo.

So, is there any in vivo evidence? Yes. Researches performed a double-blind crossover study using either 2.5 mg/day of letrozole or 1 mg/day of anastrozole. After six weeks of treatment for each substance it was found that when those patients used letrozole, there was a suppression greater than 99.1% (Estrone-84%, Estradiol-88%, estrone sulfate-98%) in all patients, whereas, anastrozole resulted in an average suppression of 97.3% (Estrone-81%, Estradiol-85%, Estrone sulfate-94%).

These differences were found to be significant after statistical analysis. (12) Now, I know some of you may construe this evidence as supporting the idea that anastrozole is indeed more potent since the mg amount used was less (2.5 mg vs. 1.0), and while this is true, you must recall that letrozole was found to have no statistically significant difference in estrogen levels amongst those who used 0.1-2.5 mg. This would indicate that 0.1 mg would also have outperformed 1 mg of anastrozole. (13)

One thing to note though is that there were adverse effects seen on blood lipids in patients using 2.5 mg/daily, more specifically, a reduction of HDL and an increase in LDL. Essentially, either make sure you use the drug as sporadically as you do androgens or use it along with clomiphene in order to keep blood lipids at a fair level. (14)

To be totally honest, either drug will do as they both suppress estrogen formation extremely well and to nearly similar levels, so much so that I doubt you'd actually notice the difference in terms of real world measures (i.e. chance of getting gyno, water retention, etc.) Still, if you want to argue which is technically more potent, it's letrozole (Femara).
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Old 08-08-2003, 10:47 AM
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I take about 2 to 4 provirions a day and like them very much also i sometims use Nolva with no problems
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Twistedneck,
I am currently on 40-50mg d-bol day
800mg enanthate
600mg eq a week
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