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Old 07-22-2003, 02:20 AM
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Is there an advantage to taking insulin before workout?
and if Im using the R" should I just take 1/2 dose before and the
other 1/2 dose after training. ANy input you could give on how you
might do it would be greatly appreciated. I thought I had read
once before you had some success taking it Im like a site inj
thanks for your time an help,
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Old 07-22-2003, 04:40 AM
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i had a question very similar to your post.. i was saying how my friend has been taking 10iu pre/post workout and has been leaning up BIG TIME.. i couldnt believe the changes his body has made. also he is taking no GH just the slin, and is even off gear right now.. just carbs and protein after and before workouts, slim to none fats also,

would definetly like to hear more from kiwi, i PM'ed him but he didnt reply!!! bastard im gonna kick his ass( who wants to give me a hand???). hahaah i understand he probably gets 50 messages a day from wanna be kiwi's like me everyday..

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Old 07-22-2003, 05:56 AM
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I cannot speak from personal experience but I have read thiers great benefit to doing this for the advanced slin user, but I personally would bother with it, i get so tired post inj all i wanna do is sleep.
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Old 07-22-2003, 06:49 AM
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yeah dave, sleep and slin=not good.haha..

i have used slin a couple times in the past but never for a long period of time.. i think this time, im going to run 5 iu pre workout, and 10iu post... but only EOD... im going to use it on the bodyparts that are lagging, in hope of maybe bringing them up a little bit.. like chest, back, shoulders, arms, legs, etc.ahahah

ill keep updated, im thinking about buying a dig cam, if so ill post some pics of my scrawny ass and see if you guys think im decent enough to do a novice show.

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Old 07-22-2003, 07:46 AM
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i think this time, im going to run 5 iu pre workout, and 10iu post... but only EOD... im going to use it on the bodyparts that are lagging, in hope of maybe bringing them up a little bit.. like chest, back, shoulders, arms, legs, etc.ahahah


|---[\\\]>-------- I dont think that slin has been a proven method to incr. inj. sites.
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Rajjin i got something interesting for ya, give me a min and i will post it
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Old 07-22-2003, 01:06 PM
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you're right bigbadasian it's not for site inj.
stick it in you're abs and you'll have no problems.
I do 10iu pre and post workout and the pumps r crazy.
As long as you have you're carbs in check you'll be fine...
I use HUMOLOG insulin....
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Old 07-22-2003, 01:07 PM
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A lot of rumors and unknown reasoning goes into the making of a diet, especially a
bulking-up diet. In this article, we will explore the ability of INSULIN and Amino acids
to infuse and increase the rate of growth experienced by you.
First and foremost, I do not condone the use of ANY illegal substances that have not been
prescribed to you by the doctor or physician. All information provided in this article is
purely fictional and not intended to be used by any person.
As we all know, if you don’t eat, you wont grow, that I do not need to explain. However,
if you eat and don’t follow the right path, you wont get the full benefit of what your are
doing. The right path is food, insulin (INS), creatine (CR), and amino acids (AAs). If
you want to get big, you have to go to the extreme, and this is extreme bodybuilding
taken to the limit.
To get your weight to where it wants to be, you have to think ahead, think big, think like
a monster. How can you be a monster if you don’t have the mentality to do so? To get
the fullest results out of what I’m going to tell you, you’re going to have to implement the
mentality that comes along with dieting and bodybuilding. If you can’t do that, you can’t
be your best. In the personal mentality and view part, I cannot help you, so if that’s a
boundary you can’t step over – this is not for you, close the page now. Look at your
situation objectively, if you feel that you are ready to be your best and give 110% then
this article is for you.
Let’s get to the good stuff: first, you’ll need to have a daily caloric intake of Weight x 20
(example: if your weight is 200lbs., your daily caloric intake is 4000calories (200lbs. x
20)), from which you’ll need to have 45%protein/35%carbs/20%fat: SEE ATTACHED
WORKSHEET – MS Excel format. Once you have your diet set-up, you can move on to
the hardcore part – and the point of this article.
The saturation of the INS, CR, and AAs is going to be around your workout, which is one
of the best times of the day to achieve the maximum anabolism. As stated by the
Diabetes Journal “Insulin reduce[s] muscle release of AAs mainly by inhibition of protein
breakdown.” 1 Thus, when you take in INS, you will be able to lower the rate at which
your muscle is broken down; thus, you will be increasing your ability to grow. In
addition, when combined with AAs “insulin also enhance[s] AA-induced muscle protein
synthesis (PS).”1 In addition, “AAs reduce[s] protein breakdown and increased
synthesis.” 1 Overall, the combination is super anabolic and creatine is going to increase
the ATP synthesis; therefore, the trio combination along w/ any other supplements you’ll
take will create the ultimate environment for growth.
Now that we know the volatility of the trio, we are able to better judge why we are going
to use these products around our workout.
The first thing we need is a bottle of
Humilin-Rhttp://
http://www.drugstore.com/pharmacy/pr...21759&trx=1Z50
66#info
creatine Monohydratehttp://
http://www.drugstore.com/templates/s...d=333321&apara
m=creatine_monohydrate
Liquid Amino Acids -
http://www9.netrition.com/optimum_am...quid_page.html
For the Humilin R, you can go to the pharmacy and get it if online is too much of a
hassle. Just say you’re diabetic, which you are of course, and you’ll get a bottle.
Since you have the products now, let’s look at the big picture. Before your workout
(10min before), you do 2 IUs INS and take 2 tbsp. AAs w/ 20g carbs and 20 g protein.
Get in the gym and train like an animal, preferred heavy lifting to failure like beyondfailure-
HIT-training. Before you finish your workout, 10 min before – about the time
you have 4 sets left, take 4 tbsp. AAs mixed w/ 10g CR, and the last 4 sets should be high
volume – 25+ reps where you rep to failure with a semi-light weight. Remember, this is
all done for the bodypart/parts you’re training that day, so on a bi/tri day, you’ll do 4sets
bi’s/4 tri’s, and if it’s only a chest day then you do 4 sets chest only and so on.
As soon as you’re done with your workout, take 10IUs INS, immediately drink a protein
shake that has: 50g protein, 100g carbs. Use only whey protein – PURE whey, best
bought from http://www.allthewhey.com . For the carbs, use dextrose from
http://www.proteinfactory.com . With the shake, mix in 3 tbsp. of AAs and 15g CR.
After you have taken the shake, you can go home, for you have a 2 hour window where
you should not sleep b/c INS (Humilin R) usually kicks in 2 times. About 1 ½ hrs after
your INS injection, eat a big meal of carbs/proteins – look for about 100g protein, 50g
carbs.
INSULIN WARNINGS:
If you feel dizzy, shaky, or experience any abnormality that’s out of the ordinary after
taking an insulin shot, EAT MORE CARBS. In the case of the immediate PW (postworkout)
drink more carbs.
Q&A:
Can I use AS (anabolics) while on the diet?
Sure, I don’t see why not…the insulin will do wonders in improving your growth and
potential of the anabolics
Can I lose hearing on the diet?
No, but you can go brain dead
NOTE TO READER: People that are already brain-dead, cannot get more brain-dead
Can I eat lots and lots of fat while using insulin?
No, unless your goal is to compete in the Japanese Sumo wrestling championships
Can I take insulin on an empty stomach and not eat anything for 3 hours? Wouldn’t that
be a sure way not to get fat?
NO! you have to eat the protein ratios I set-up when using insulin, otherwise if you don’t
eat you’ll go into a hypoglycemic coma and die or get ample brain damage.
Will insulin improve my sex drive?
I haven’t seen studies say that it can, but I doubt it can.
Will insulin make my sperm count lower?
I haven’t seen studies say that it can, but I doubt it can.
Will insulin get me a hard on?
I don’t know, but if it doesn’t, don’t come complaining to me when you can’t give it to
your girl.
Will insulin get me laid?
If you have to ask this question, then you’ll never get laid.
Can I give insulin and anabolics to my girlfriend?
Sure, but the side-effects can be unholy. It all depends on her goals and motivations.
Can women use this diet?
Yes, this diet is a universal diet, it can be used by all. I do think it is preferred more by
men due to the “anabolic” effect that it has. However, I would NOT recommend it for
women b/c it’s insulin based, which women can do w/o.
Can insulin be used as a recreational drug?
NO! NO! NO!, but again, if your type of recreation is hypoglycemic comas then go right
on. YOU CAN DIE!
Who should NOT use insulin?
People with Low-IQ/People that Can’t read a syringe/People that are already brain
dead/People that think “more is better” works with everything/People that think they are
immortal/People that are stupid/People that can’t follow simple directions
1 Diabetes 2003 Jun;52(6):1377-85
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Old 07-22-2003, 04:42 PM
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Before a workout seems awfully dangerous. Definately would make sure there is some sugar handy.
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Old 07-22-2003, 07:36 PM
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no, i dont mean for site injections, i mean im going to train the muscles that i am lagging in more, and use the insulin on those days.. not a site injection, sorry for not being more clear.

i have used insulin pre workout, at 5iu you are ok as long as you take in some carbs and sip on some carb drink throughout the workout.

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Old 07-22-2003, 08:10 PM
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If i remeber correctly I beleive Kiwi said he had some success
using it Im in the muscle trained? helped to make look fuller and
gives a polished look. Dont quote me on any of thats just a few peices i remeber reading in a OLd post. Im sure BIGman will
pop in here before long when he see`s the thread.

Im just lookin for the increased pumps I hear about or any other
advantages there may be. BigA Im sure could help on this as well?? I think Kiwi an him are pretty tight. obviously
some guys are intrested and have differant opinions so hopefully
we can dig up some more info on advantages an disadvantages
of using it Prior to training.
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Old 07-22-2003, 09:35 PM
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well i used it last night subq, right before i trained arms.. i did have one hell of a pump..
mabye thats why kiwi's shoulders are so damn massive and ripped. i wanna know more damnit!!! haha, atelast before i hit the gym tonight.lol

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Old 07-22-2003, 11:05 PM
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i use 2iu pre and 8 post its plenty for me and i'm 240pds
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Old 07-23-2003, 01:45 AM
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Before your workout
(10min before), you do 2 IUs INS and take 2 tbsp. AAs w/ 20g carbs and 20 g protein.
Get in the gym and train like an animal, preferred heavy lifting to failure like beyondfailure-
HIT-training. Before you finish your workout, 10 min before – about the time
you have 4 sets left, take 4 tbsp. AAs mixed w/ 10g CR, and the last 4 sets should be high
volume – 25+ reps where you rep to failure with a semi-light weight. Remember, this is
all done for the bodypart/parts you’re training that day, so on a bi/tri day, you’ll do 4sets
bi’s/4 tri’s, and if it’s only a chest day then you do 4 sets chest only and so on.
As soon as you’re done with your workout, take 10IUs INS, immediately drink a protein
shake that has: 50g protein, 100g carbs. Use only whey protein – PURE whey, best
bought from http://www.allthewhey.com . For the carbs, use dextrose from
http://www.proteinfactory.com . With the shake, mix in 3 tbsp. of AAs and 15g CR.
After you have taken the shake, you can go home, for you have a 2 hour window where
you should not sleep b/c INS (Humilin R) usually kicks in 2 times. About 1 ½ hrs after
your INS injection, eat a big meal of carbs/proteins – look for about 100g protein, 50g
carbs.
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Old 07-23-2003, 09:59 AM
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just saw thread bro !!!!!! I would not use right before workout as would lower blood sugars to much. I deffinately reccommend using twice a day im though . Shooting the bodypart you are training that day deffinately does work well !!!!! :)
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Old 07-23-2003, 10:01 AM
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don't use subq use IM works 5x better for keeping lean and gaining size !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
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Old 07-23-2003, 10:07 AM
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I have not been off slin for over a year now and have been using for over 6 years it works :)
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Old 07-23-2003, 10:14 AM
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Thanks a million buddy,
will give it a try BigKiwi style. I think it maybe is the most underrated compound we have access to. I like the fact that it comes straight outa the pharmacy an is cheap as all hell.
I think if it were harder to get and More expensive like hgh
it would be more popular,lol thanks again for the replys.
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Old 07-23-2003, 08:06 PM
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Yep, he put me on the path too. I just got my bottle this morning... I am still unsure of the pins though --- like for IM pokes, when working chest for example....freaks me out. Also if I am doing arms that day do I poke in both arms?
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Old 07-23-2003, 08:37 PM
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27 gauge I use , but get the slightly longer insulin pins
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Old 07-23-2003, 08:38 PM
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Yep I would use half and half in each arm Ivan
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Old 07-23-2003, 08:50 PM
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Thanks man. Will do. How long should the pins be though?
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Old 07-23-2003, 09:02 PM
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I believe the longest an insulin pin comes in is .5"
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Old 07-23-2003, 09:30 PM
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ok I will get those then, thanks man.
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Old 07-24-2003, 12:53 AM
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Not that I am going to try this cause I am not that advanced but, out of interest is creatine used?
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