Proviron VS liquidex

[A.k.a Puffy]

:help:
Just need a little info, Currently have about 100 tabs of Proviron left, my buddy just got some Liquidex.. Can anyone basically tell me the difference between the two and Does one or the other work better post cycle or during a cycle.... Would you want to even take if you were say on EQ and Fina and Prop, or would you be wasting it... Can anyone give me a fairly simple comparison between the two, and how best used....

[xcelbeyond]

OK - now this is me: I take an anti-e (letrozole (my favorite) or anastrozole - arimidex/liquidex) mainly to prevent e-related gyno (I'm very susceptible) and to PREVENT BLOAT. Letrozole actually increases IGF-1 where I believe proviron and nolvadex both hinder it (disrupts potential gains). So - most don't take proviron or nolva unless they have to. Ana is a MUCH BETTER anti-e and if you can afford it, use letrozole, it's the BOMB!

xcel /t\

xcel, have you ever used the liquid letrozole??

[xcelbeyond]

That's all I've used - liquid anstrozole. It's MUCH CHEAPER than tabs, just inconvenient! On it right now during my "cruise" along with Clomid and 100mg phenylprop 2x week.

xcel

[MikeS]

Xcel,
I believe any antiestro will hinder gains a little,
in that the higher (within reason) estro levels work
synergistically with high test levels in causing growth.
Thats why I always preach (barring precontest when
you want to be very dry) to take just barely enough
anti-estros and no more than needed during cycle.
Overkill otherwise.
i fact I only use clomid EOD during the first 4wks of cycle-
just to let the good test gains manifest themselves (ie-
so i can enjoy that bloated swole feeling for a short while /- ).

Proviron will harden you due to its non-aromotizing androgenic quality. And it also binds very well with SHBG, leaving the test of the drugs in your cycle more 'free' to be used in the blood.
Has it ever been actually explained why this drug has antiestrogen properties?

[drab4]

Hi mate.

Yep I agree with above, any and all anti-e's should theoretically lower GH/IGF-1 levels, as activation of the estrogen receptors is responsible for an increase in these hormones. How much this will affect your gains is up for debate.

Arimidex/liquidex is the better anti-e of the two. Proviron has other qualtites (it is a strong androgen), making it very usefull.

MikeS - "Has it ever been actually explained why this drug has antiestrogen properties?"

Here's how I understand it bro..... As you mentined it binds very strongly to SHBG. It also binds very strongly to the AR. Therefore it pretty much must be sure that it binds strongly to aromatase......