Timing for begining HCG therapy

[Begginer]

Hi everyone out there,

Im in the last 2 wks of my cycle, I've been running 1 amp of Sustanon 250 every 5 days and 100mg of Fina every other day for a total of 8 weeks. I've consulted a doctor specialising in steroid abuse and he wants to use HCG therapy first then Clomid following if necessary. I just wanted to no how long after my last injection of Sustanon and Fina should i start. While he has no problem presciribing the drugs he didn't seem to have much of an idea about timing properly especially with the Fina.

Any help you could provide will be greatly appreciated.

[warchild]

2 weeks!
warchild

[superman1975]

i've heard that you can use hcg every 4 wks--but most use it at the end of the cycle after their last shot--try the faq's for a better answer

[Bigfella]

You should not run it post-cycle at all, as HCG is very inhibitory to the HPTA and will hinder recovery which post-cycle is completely counter productive to your goals. The only reason for HCG dosing is to avoid/rectify testicular atrophy, this is best performed during the cycle at doses of 500 to 1000iu/day for 1 to 2 weeks duration. This dosing offers all the associated benefits of HCG therapy without the more aggressive side-effects, I would strongly suggest dosing now so it is clear in time for Clomid, if you have suffered atrophy, but at those cycle doses would be quite rare IMO.

Bigfella.

[Pusher]

Originally posted by Begginer
I've consulted a doctor specialising in steroid abuse and he wants to use HCG therapy first then Clomid following if necessary

What kind of doc specialzes in in "steroid abuse"?

.....Anyways.

In most cases, I'd say hit the HCG 2 weeks after your last Sost shot, but I recomend that to guys who are doing a lot more test (1000+) per week.....I'd say start the HCG at 1 week after you last Sost shot to minimize "crashing" and hold onto gains.

Only run HCG for 1-2 weeks at 5000iu/wk, then go to Clomid.

[BronSon]

Originally posted by Pusher


What kind of doc specialzes in in "steroid abuse"?

.....Anyways.

In most cases, I'd say hit the HCG 2 weeks after your last Sost shot, but I recomend that to guys who are doing a lot more test (1000+) per week.....I'd say start the HCG at 1 week after you last Sost shot to minimize "crashing" and hold onto gains.

Only run HCG for 1-2 weeks at 5000iu/wk, then go to Clomid.

looks good,I run 2000iu every 3-4 days for a couple wks,then start clomid.works for me.

[xcelbeyond]

This little article is from Muscletalk:

HCG stands for Human Chorionic Gonadotrophin and is not a steroid, but a natural peptide hormone which develops in the placenta of pregnant women during pregnancy to controls the mother's hormones. (Incidentally, this is the reason you may hear of people testing for growth hormone (HGH) with a pregnancy testing kit - If their HGH shows 'pregnant', they've been ripped-off with cheaper HCG - but we digress slightly).

Its action in the male body is like that of LH, stimulating the Leydig cells in the testes to produce testosterone even in the absence of endogenous LH. HCG is therefore used during longer or heavier steroid cycles to maintain testicular size and condition, or to bring atrophied (shrunken) testicles back up to their original condition in preparation for post-cycle Clomid therapy. This process is necessary because atrophied testicles produce reduced levels of natural testosterone, this situation should be rectified prior to post-cycle Clomid therapy.

HCG administration post-cycle is common practice among bodybuilders in the belief that it will aid the natural testosterone recovery, but this theory is unfounded and also counterproductive. The rapid rise in both testosterone, and thus oestrogen due to aromatisation, from the administration of HCG causes further inhibition of the HPTA (Hypothalamic/Pituitary/Testicular Axis - feedback loop discussed above); this actually worsens the recovery situation. HCG does not restore the natural testosterone production.

The typically observed dosing of 2000 to 5000IU every 4 to 5 days causes such an increase in oestrogen levels via aromatisation of the natural testosterone that this has been responsible for many cases of gynecomastia.

From the above discussion it is clear that HCG is best used during a cycle, either to:

1) Avoid testicular atrophy, or
2) Rectify the problem of an existing testicular atrophy.

Doses of HCG
Smaller doses, more frequently during a cycle will give best overall results with least unwanted side effects. Somewhere between 500iu and 1000iu per day would be best over about a two-week period. These doses are sufficient to avoid/rectify testicular atrophy without increasing oestrogen levels too dramatically and risking gynecomastia. This dosing schedule also avoids the risk of permanently down-regulating the LH receptors in the testes.

xcel /t\

[Bigfella]

hehe, thanx for posting that xcelbeyond.

Bigfella.

[BronSon]

Its action in the male body is like that of LH, stimulating the Leydig cells in the testes to produce testosterone even in the absence of endogenous LH. HCG is therefore used during longer or heavier steroid cycles to maintain testicular size and condition, or to bring atrophied (shrunken) testicles back up to their original condition in preparation for post-cycle Clomid therapy. This process is necessary because atrophied testicles produce reduced levels of natural testosterone, this situation should be rectified prior to post-cycle Clomid therapy.

[tyhigs]

Originally posted by Begginer
I've consulted a doctor specialising in steroid abuse and he wants to use HCG therapy first then Clomid following if necessary. ... While he has no problem presciribing the drugs he didn't seem to have much of an idea about timing properly especially with the Fina.

I wish I was this lucky to have an open-minded doctor like that. Are you in the states, europe or australia?

[Begginer]

Im in Australia tyhigs.

I simply went to a GP at my local medical center told him what ive done and he recomended me to a doctor that specialises in sports medicine, especially steroid abuse

[Highlander]

are right on with there advice. HCg is better used that way!!