would this be effective

[diezal32]

would this cycle be effective for gaining strenth while staying lean if this is my first time using anything
winny tabs 20mg per day
primobolan tabs 20mg per day

[SCRAPPER]

your first cycle is your best bro, so don't waste it, do it right. those are too low of doses even for a first cycle.

[testalot]

Originally posted by SCRAPPER
your first cycle is your best bro, so don't waste it, do it right. those are too low of doses even for a first cycle.

the only thing is this bro is a baseball player i belive, i think he wants to get leaner while retaining muscle only. i dont think he is bulking at all. and that amount is good for that especially the primo. but if he wants to get big, it's too low, i agree.

[SCRAPPER]

ah i see, but even sprinters take testosterone, just don't bulk up to gain fat just gradulally get bigger, i don't think even those doses are worth taking, if that's the case just go natural.

[diezal32]

I appreciate everyones input if you don't think this i'm open for any and all suggestions concerning cycles for a begginer on gettiing strong and lean without excess weight gain

[Superman]

If you dont want to gain to much,then this cycle would be great.

Winny 50mgs eod
fina 50mgs ed

Clen & T3
The doses are just right for counter acting the T-3 from wasting muscle and also the fina will shot your strength through the roof.

[Ry Roid]

I don't care what you are doing it for I would NEVER do a course w/out test so try this:

100mg Test Prop EOD
20mg WinV ED
100mg Primo EOD

Do this for 8 weeks and you will be good to go. Now this isn't a BBer course but, a safe strength gainer for an athlete.

RY

[Superman]

I agree with you bro. I would also never do a cycle without test, but it seems as he doesn't want to gain any muscle just retain what he already has.

[nandro]

hmmm....judging by your choices i would be lead to think that you do not like needles. In that case, scratch the test. You are probably wasting your time with oral primo. I would swap out with like 40mg of anavar (the yellow ones....hint hint)

[davebelone]

why dont you want to grow, the ladies will wanna suck yer dick man?

[diezal32]

I want to grow but not so much that my joints get bound up kind of need them for baseball im a sponge keep tossing me suggestions its appreciated

[SCRAPPER]

the ladies won't be sucking your dick if you don't throw in some test, you need 250mgs a week whenver you do a cycle for proper brain functioning, etc. if you don't want much size but want to get stronger do this:
Weeks 1-10 250 mgs of sust, or go 400mgs t200 since its underdosed
Weeks 3-10 75mgs fina eod
weeks 6-12 50mgs winny ed
weeks 12-14 cloimd 150mgs down to 50mgs a day.

[diezal32]

what about this? primo200mg per week
halotestin 15mg per day
or maybe this one for 4 weeks
winny 50mg primo 100mg per week
winny 100mg primo 100mg per week
winny 150mg primo 200mg per week
winny 150mg priom 200mg per week

[willk]

I know your scared of juice still. i can tell by the dosages you have chosen. that cycle wouldnt do much but replace your natural test. If you are going to do a cycle that low, you may not see any gains.

here you go.

week 1 through 8 = 400mg primobolan (week 1 800 to load)
weeks 1 - 6 100mg winny EOD, or 50 ED (at least)
weeks 1 - 10 200mg any type of test


this is as low as you should go. IMO.

[Indiana]

Originally posted by willk
I know your scared of juice still. i can tell by the dosages you have chosen. that cycle wouldnt do much but replace your natural test. If you are going to do a cycle that low, you may not see any gains.

here you go.

week 1 through 8 = 400mg primobolan (week 1 800 to load)
weeks 1 - 6 100mg winny EOD, or 50 ED (at least)
weeks 1 - 10 200mg any type of test


this is as low as you should go. IMO.

Not my thread, but can't remember: How soon after coming off test prop do you start clomid?