Why does everybody want to run cutting cycles!?!?

Pusher · #1 (**permalink**) 07-21-2002, 03:38 AM

Why? Do you have a contest coming up? A photo shoot for a magazine or supplement company? Why do it!?

I see it all the time, so and so just finnished a bulking cycle and wants to start up a cutting cycle. WTF? Why? Why diet away hard earned (and paid-for) muscle using weaker drugs? The more muscle you carry, the faster your metabolism works and the more fat you burn at rest.

Rookie steroid users doing a "bulking" cycle for the first cycle to get up to 210lbs, and a "cutting" cycle for their second cycle to get back down to 200lbs. What is this nonsense? What happend to packing on as much muscle while staying hard? Why not put on as much muscle as you can until you have a legitimate reason to get down to 5% bodyfat? Unless you're 15%-18% bodyfat you have no business doing a "cutting" cycle. What you should be doing is concentrating on adding lean mass and not getting so damn bloated!

I've always held to the belief that the only thing the seperates a cutting cycle from a bulking cycle is DIET! It's not the drugs that alter your appearance, it's the sh*t you put in your mouth that alters your appearance. A cycle of test, tren, arimidex/aromasin/femara and watching carbohydrate intake while eating your weight in protein W I L L produce a quality physique.

I just cannot help but shake my head and roll my eyes at guys who think 250mg test, 400mg deca and 20mg anavar is going to make them look better than 1g of test and an anti-estrogen will.

Sorry for the rant, just had to get some of that off my chest.

Big A · #2 (**permalink**) 07-21-2002, 04:48 AM

Agreed.

hyper · #3 (**permalink**) 07-21-2002, 05:16 AM

"I've always held to the belief that the only thing the seperates a cutting cycle from a bulking cycle is DIET! It's not the drugs that alter your appearance, it's the sh*t you put in your mouth that alters your appearance. A cycle of test, tren, arimidex/aromasin/femara and watching carbohydrate intake while eating your weight in protein W I L L produce a quality physique. " posted by pusher

Totally true, I am on a cycle like that and I am gaining quality muscle, but my diet is right on.

NETESS · #4 (**permalink**) 07-21-2002, 07:13 AM

Pusher you speak the truth. I just can't believe that there are so many out there that are missing the point.

rj420 · #5 (**permalink**) 07-21-2002, 02:25 PM

I will agree there. Test+anti-e's= Lean, hard gains. It's all about diet and cardio.

"I WANT TO TAKE WINNY TO GET CUT." How many times you heard that before.

Jimbo Jomes · #6 (**permalink**) 07-21-2002, 04:52 PM

very good post

Paul Bunyan · #7 (**permalink**) 07-21-2002, 04:57 PM

Oh, don't get me started on this. I see guys making up all of the exotic and expensive cycles just to gain 10lbs. Then, as rj420 pointed out, the winny for cutting statement. I've been telling people forever that it's diet and cardio that gets you cut, not some magic drug or stack of drugs. I'm glad that Pusher has brought this out in th open for all to see.

PB

slide · #8 (**permalink**) 07-21-2002, 09:29 PM

Good Post Pusher! /t\

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xcelbeyond · #9 (**permalink**) 07-21-2002, 10:27 PM

I agree with hyper - but then again, I always do!

The biggest mistake I see is bros gaining too much "bloat," which is nothing more than water (which is muscle, but will leave after cessation of AAS). So - moral to my post: take your anti-e's!

xcel /t\

akursus · #10 (**permalink**) 07-21-2002, 11:14 PM

No truer truth has been spoken. Man... this should be a sticky on all the boards. It will pre-answer about 20 posts a month on this and other boards.

You can mobilize fat with ANY gear. Diet is IMHO 75% of the game. Very good post./t\

Ursus...

MikeS · #11 (**permalink**) 07-22-2002, 12:34 AM

YES! Ive really had to bite my tougue recently. Ive seen a couple of posts where guys are 180lbs and going to do a cutting cycle
to get to 160lbs-with no contest in mind. What!?! Im not talking any dwarfs here either. At 180lbs (no offense to anyone 180lbs)
your thoughts should be of gaining LOTS of mass. Unless you just want to be a wimpy pretty boy with some nice little abs and a little toned muscle.

Japanese Machin · #12 (**permalink**) 07-22-2002, 11:20 AM

keep in mind, that everyones goal is not to be the "freakiest" fella in the gym.

MikeS · #13 (**permalink**) 07-22-2002, 01:42 PM

I know everyone is entitled to their own goals. But I wonder what someone who wants to be 160lbs cut, is doing on a hardcore bodybuilding board devoted to becoming abnormally large through chemistry. To be 160lbs you dont need drugs at all.
People who are not trying to gain nice size and are doing drugs anyway are just looking for the easy way around hard work IMO.
(w)

Macdaddy · #14 (**permalink**) 07-22-2002, 03:32 PM

I think the main problem here is that your average Newbie wants instant size and cuts at the same time. You can thank all the magazines for that!! They don't realize that most bodybuilders are not cut year round. They think that one cycle will get them huge and then they can cut down to what the guys in the magazines look like. LOL!!!

As stated before, as a newbie IMO you should be trying to gain as much mass as you can until you get upto a reasonable weight. Then start to cut with diet, not specialty drugs!!! Leave the specialty AAS for competitions.

Macdaddy

Ryan · #15 (**permalink**) 07-22-2002, 03:42 PM

well im on my 3rd cykle and i know,no matter how ,much i eat (as long as its good clean food) and minamul cardio, (just fuckin push it in the gym)i dont get cutt butt good pumps where i can see sep. in the muscles and so on

i ask the same Q y does eveyone want to be so cutt, wouldt u rather be big then cutt

ryan

FRKNHUGE · #16 (**permalink**) 07-22-2002, 03:43 PM

but whats ure opinion on this cutting cyc
winn,prim, oh nevermind this post is against the cutt cycs, lol
jk
shit i gained alot of lean mass on my previous cyc, t,eq,drol,fina and arim
and usually i bloat a ton on drol, but i watched sodium, and it was alllll good

frk(w)

Paul Bunyan · #17 (**permalink**) 07-22-2002, 04:11 PM

If you are 5'4" and 160 you will look big. Now if you are 6' and 160 you better go grab a fork and gain some weight. I crack up when these guys give me a hard time about my belly. At that time I have to explain that my lean bodyweight is over 100lbs more than their total bodyweight.

You know those charts that tell you what your ideal bodyweight should be for your height. They last time I was evaluated they changed my ideal bw from like 188lbs to 260-275. At the time I weighed 314@17%bf. So there's no reason why a guy 5'11" like me should be so light and worried about doing cut cycles.

PB

rajizi · #18 (**permalink**) 07-22-2002, 06:21 PM

Great Thread with great info.

BR

Ryan · #19 (**permalink**) 07-22-2002, 06:58 PM

holly fuck paul u r huge/; :kickass: i would like to see a pic if u got one

hyper · #20 (**permalink**) 07-22-2002, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by xcelbeyond [/i]
[B]I agree with hyper - but then again, I always do!

The biggest mistake I see is bros gaining too much "bloat," which is nothing more than water (which is muscle, but will leave after cessation of AAS). So - moral to my post: take your anti-e's!

xcel

Great minds think alike Huh?

yardrock · #21 (**permalink**) 07-22-2002, 07:46 PM

Strong rant,Pusher. I think many do not fully undesrtand how to properly use aas for desired gaols. Those who have never used ant e with test see very different results then w/ anti e. So I think heavy test w/o produces a bloted watery look with excess fat so when they say they want to run a cut cycle the really mean change the look. Get rid of the water and excess fat. DIET!!! CARDIO!!!

physiqueartist · #22 (**permalink**) 07-23-2002, 03:44 AM

I will only do 1 cutting cycle and thats jsut for a show. The other 9-10 months out of the year are for big muscle gains. I refuse to spend the money to do a bulking cycle followed by cutting waste of money. Also it is the diet. I will do some eq, winny or halo while I am bulking to keep that hard look but why waste hundreds of dollars to lose muscle. Guys should od bulking cycles to gain quality mass and keep calories high and eat correct things. The guys that do bulkign cylce followed by the cuttign cycles are the guys that ate at McD's 3x a day and drank beer the intire tiem and now want to lose that extra bodyfat they put on by eatign and drinking crap. Just my opinion.

androshack · #23 (**permalink**) 07-23-2002, 09:20 PM

I think they are worried about getting laid pusher, which was their reason to do a cycle and gain some "mass" in the first place. For example beach season is here and I am 215lbs 10%. I would love to fatten up to 230, but I have a penchant and yearning for 17-19 year old girls with perky breasts and smooth tight f*ckable asses who find me "big and gross" at that weight. So 195 here I come! Where did I put those "pretty" abs I had last summer anyways?

BTW I will be using my new fat burner I fomulated, I would love to tell y'all about it but there is no advertising allowed. I will also be using some 1-test and some MD prescribed HRT test.

WCP · #24 (**permalink**) 07-24-2002, 03:06 PM

I fell into that trap in the beginning but have always held the opinion that you can gain as much muscle off of water as you can primo. Now anavar I like for bridging or even dbol between bulking cycles. Ive taken my body from one extreme to the next just to see if I can do it but muscle is always the concern. Now as for not competing and still keeping a very low bf, I just like the look and I feel better cutting down to a low bf but I dont push it beyond 7-8% usually cause there is no need to kill myself dieting.
Im lighter now than I have been in years simply cause I had to even up my proportions a bit this summer and was after alot of cut and separation, hell I just emailed Pusher about some dieting advice on some things Ive never had to really deal with, Im always learning something.
As far as Im concerned test and tren and two great "cutting" drugs but as stated, watch what you put in you to really see what you want out of you.

Good post!,
WCP

Johnny Bravo · #25 (**permalink**) 07-25-2002, 05:42 PM

Big and muscular is what I try to achieve. being a big fat ass is just as bad being fraile IMO. Besides what someone says is big, I might say is fat and vice versa. Either way Bodybuilding is a life style about the individual. I personally care for the Armold years type of BB, but have to admit seeing Dorian, Jay C., Lee P. etc. helps keep the motivation at 200%. Unfortunatly is usually the 160lbs weak asses that take pot shots at BB who want to look like a freak. I say do what you want too, its your body. What gets me is the 160-180 lbs wanna be's that run around saying "I'm Natural, I'm never took juice before"..I wanna say, "NO SHIT!, IT SHOWS!"ROTFLMAO /- /-