if arnold was in this generation...

Daveb19 · #1 (**permalink**) 07-08-2002, 08:57 AM

Their seems to be much debate at the gym i go to about, IF arnold was around in this genearation of bodybuilding if he would have been the top bodybuilder, compared to the olympians like coleman, cutler, ect.... basically with the gear thats out now, his genetics, knowledge, dedication, ect, what do you guys think about this, how do you think he would do against guys like Ronnie coleman?

doubleguns · #2 (**permalink**) 07-08-2002, 03:08 PM

I'd say that with Arnold's intensity and his mental approach to lifting, he would blow Ronnie right out of the water. If Arnold was at the top of the game back in the day, he would really clean up with all the advancements in supplements, research, gear and all the other stuff like that you mentioned. The only thing going against Arnold now would be the ages of his competitors. Not that being older puts you at a tremendous disadvantage, but a small one at the least.

rj420 · #3 (**permalink**) 07-08-2002, 08:05 PM

Well, sorry to say, but Ronnie's got a bit better overall genetics than Arnold. Arnold never could really get his wheels big. Hard to tell though, how exactly he would match up against today's competitors.

doubleguns · #4 (**permalink**) 07-08-2002, 08:51 PM

Yeah, Ronnie does have some of the best genetics on the stage today. No arguement there at all. I just think if Arnold was a monster when the sport was getting off of the ground in the 70's-80's, that he would have been a lot bigger if he was starting in today's generation.

rj420 · #5 (**permalink**) 07-09-2002, 01:00 AM

No doubt, he would have been a shitload bigger. You have to think though, what if Arnold was to lose his V-taper, that wasp waist.?

#6 (**permalink**) 07-09-2002, 05:33 AM

I'm a huge arnie fan, as most poeple in bodybuilding are too. One thing that separates arnold from the rest is that respectively in his time he was much farther ahead of the pack than someone like coleman of today is. coleman may be the best, and he is definitely a freak, but not necessarily to the extent of what arnold was for his day, especially considering todays advancements that arnold went without. Arnold is the man!!

/t\

Daveb19 · #7 (**permalink**) 07-11-2002, 01:28 AM

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Originally posted by Moose
I'm a huge arnie fan, as most poeple in bodybuilding are too. One thing that separates arnold from the rest is that respectively in his time he was much farther ahead of the pack than someone like coleman of today is. coleman may be the best, and he is definitely a freak, but not necessarily to the extent of what arnold was for his day, especially considering todays advancements that arnold went without. Arnold is the man!!

/t\

agreed... http://www.pumpingiron.de/ check out that link, its pictures of arnold during the olympia years probably near 500 of them they are arranged by muscle groups and poses, pretty interesting...

Ry Roid · #8 (**permalink**) 07-11-2002, 10:59 AM

They basically took nothing back then and GH was used sparingly. Not to mention nothing fancy like IGF-1, EPO, Slin, Mannitol, Plasma expanders etc. They were hardcore and reason I started.

RY

swoll4u · #9 (**permalink**) 07-12-2002, 06:13 AM

He would still be number 1. O hear they only really used dball deca and primo in those days.

Arnold was great. I think he woukld still win because of the shear fact he was tall, when most bodybuilders are short since its harder to look symetrical being tall

Willy · #10 (**permalink**) 07-13-2002, 03:58 PM

If Arnold would be willing to use the same amounts of chemicals that Ronnie does, If so I am sure he would be right there with em.

Pusher · #11 (**permalink**) 07-14-2002, 07:34 AM

There are probably 2 dozen guys in the IFBB right now with genetics equal too or greater than Arnolds. Arnold stood out because he was essentially THE pioneer of the bodybuilding lifestyle. He was just Weiders vehicle to promote the sport to a wider audience, tall white man with big arms, huge chest, and a strong jawline. He probably introduced the game of one-upmanship when it comes to drugs too, "if Franco was taking 3 dianabol, I'd better take 6 and tell everybody else to take 4". As with Haney, Dorian, and Ronnie; Arnold raised the bar well above the heads of his competetion.

Macdaddy · #12 (**permalink**) 07-15-2002, 04:43 PM

I think Arnold would be a top competitor for sure if he were in the game today. You've got to remember that he got his size back when doses were low, (regardless if he took more than other or not, they were still low) and he did not have anything other than AAS. Can you imagin if he got his hands on Slin and GH allong with SEOs. He would be a complete animal!!

To be a top competitor is all about dedication. And Arnold was probably one of the most dedicated people in the sport back in a time when nothing was proven.

Macdaddy

hyper · #13 (**permalink**) 07-16-2002, 03:56 AM

Can you see Arnie with a big bloated GH gut?ROTFLMAO

Macdaddy · #14 (**permalink**) 07-16-2002, 02:54 PM

Yeah, say bye bye to the stomach vaccume. (w) LOL!!!

Johnny Bravo · #15 (**permalink**) 07-18-2002, 03:17 AM

Arnold looked better than Coleman, I mean if you ask the ladies Arnold or coleman. Clearly Arnold would get more ass than a toilet seat!*/ ROTFLMAO ROTFLMAO ROTFLMAO */

just my opinion

DaRooster · #16 (**permalink**) 07-19-2002, 12:30 AM

I think the reason Arnie stands out in everyone's mind as being great is because he was so much more developed than anyone else in his day. I've heard that he took much more gear than what every one else was taking at the time. Arnold was very genetically gifted but so was Sergio. If Sergio had the backing that Arnold had... well, who knows. Bodybuilding is so subjective. Its a beauty contest of sorts. And not a measure of development. Although it should be! Development and symetry!!But, it all boils down to someone's opinion. " I like so and so better" "No I like that one more". Who's right? Nasser blew away Dorian in the size game and was just as balanced over all. Didn't matter!
It's all Apples and Oranges. I hope that soon the Weider brothers give controll to some other people and things change that way. I could go on and on. But even that is just, "Someone's opinion"
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Macdaddy · #17 (**permalink**) 07-19-2002, 04:07 PM

I agree that it is alot of opinion. (ie Jay Cutler and Colman at last years O)

But IMO Nasser was never close to Dorian!! He had size, but he never looked anywhere near as good as Dorian.

Macdaddy

freefaller21 · #18 (**permalink**) 07-19-2002, 07:43 PM

Hey I'm new to this forum, but not to insult anyone, I think the bodybuilders today are way to freaky. I think the guys are going overboard with the size of their physiques. I think Arnie's size is as big as anyone should push it, he was huge and ripped but if you saw him with his clothes on he would still look normal, you would say damn thats a big motherfucker. I think the sport has gone down hill since the late 70's early 80's.

tag166 · #19 (**permalink**) 07-20-2002, 03:04 PM

Arnold,ok people he was good in his day however i dont think that he should have beaten lou or franco.The question was if arnold was competeing to day would he be up there and my reply is not a chance,as for those of you who say well the gear they take is better now thats crap to the gear then was the proper Mccoy and as for growth that was around to which was extracted from dead bodies so that theory is thrown out the window.Training techniques are better,crap watch ronnies new tape its all the basics he is doing.the fact is his genetics werent good enough simple,theirs guys out there in the amateur shows who have far better bodies.LIke pusher said he was a tool for the weiders to work with but as for beaing the likes like yates,coleman forget it!!!!

freefaller21 · #20 (**permalink**) 07-21-2002, 01:47 AM

Ok dude you are crazy, have you seen the movie pumping iron? Arnolds physique was clearly better than Lou's. Sure Lou was taller and heavier than Arnold but so what. Arnolds physique was more polished and refined and he had more muscle maturity than Lou, his posing routine was also better. As far as Franco goes I'm torn between the two, Franco was good, I think the reason Arnold beat him was beacause of his on stage charm and charisma. However if arnold competed against todays competitors I think he would come out on top, especially if he had access to the gear and suppliments of today.

tag166 · #21 (**permalink**) 07-21-2002, 02:25 AM

Like i said the gear around then was far better,there was no fakes then just the real deal in terms of size there is no comparrison both yates and coleman had legs yet this was an area that arnold wavered in.

buffarat · #22 (**permalink**) 07-29-2002, 04:02 PM

I know this is kinda off topic but I am decorating my basement ( gym) and I am looking for some of arnold's older lifting posters. I have some.......but I dont want to have the fucking terminator or the last action hero staring at me when i am lifting you know. If any of you know a good site or mag to get them out of I would appreciate the help. Later and thanks, buffarat

microbrew · #23 (**permalink**) 08-03-2002, 03:08 AM

Remember when Lou came back and competed again. He was up from 270 to 320 ripped or 316 not sure.