when does gyno really occur

earlygraver · #1 (**permalink**) 07-06-2002, 07:15 PM

o.k., i started on gear about four months ago...500 sus/150 eq for ten weeks..went off for three weeks, and started back up on 600 enanthate/300eq and have yet to come off i have not used any anti e's at all... but i have them on hand as well as clomid, which i know i'll need cause my balls are not really working anymore...my question is this, does gyno usually occur during your cycle, due to aromatization...or does it happen when you don't come off properly (i.e. massive influx of estrogen to receptors that are not occupied with test anymore..) I HAVE HAD NO SIGNS OF GYNO THUS FAR, AND WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.

rj420 · #2 (**permalink**) 07-06-2002, 11:20 PM

both. But many inexperienced users will get it post cycle. I was talking to a guy the other day, and he was complaining that he got fake deca, cause that was all he took and deca wasn't supposed to cause sides. I told him on the contrary, in that deca can cause gyno from 1. progesterone (can't be blocked) 2. post cycle crash, Deca shuts down the HPTA for long periods.

So keep those on hand and begin taking them post cycle. My post cycle rehab cocktail is nolv, clomid, arimidex. Low estro plus raise in endogenous test levels= positive ratio environment... no sides.

IronMike · #3 (**permalink**) 07-08-2002, 07:11 AM

Interesting post actually! Strangely enough, I've never had sore nips etc from higher doses (once when I went quite high, but nothing serious). the two times I have noticed it the worst has been when I tapered off with nothing but winnie after being on for quite a long time and the other was when I had simply been on steady doses for quite a long time. I put it largely down to the fucked up hormone balance more than anything else, and believe this is my biggest concern. Very easy to take care of though. IronMike