Ry or any other vet...Insulin??

[COASTAL]

Ry, how big of a difference will one see with gh alone as compared to gh/insulin combo. And if taking it together how do you time the shots during the day with respect to your w-out. I wake up around 6:00 and train at 11:00a.m. Thanks for any help.
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[rAJJIN]

Insulin is a must, but you need to be carefull bro,
make sure you do your homework first. IMO unless you have a lot of money stick w/ the roids.

[Big A]

You want serious size you do GH with insulin. You just want to look leaner, etc, just do the GHwithout insulin.

Do first shot as soon as you wake up and eat at the same time plus have your glucose. Second shot after gym, at about midday - 1pm, whenever you finish your workout.

[COASTAL]

BigA, when would you do the gh now, if doing the slin as you posted. I keep reading not to do the 2 together. Any truth to this?
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[Ry Roid]

I like doing GH shots split into morn and night shots. Slin I like to do in morn and post workout. In offseason I use upwards of 50iu's per day of slin and dieting use like only 15-20. During offseason if I am going out to eat at buffet or something I sometimes go nuts and have like 30iu's but, I have been doing this a long time and know what to expect. Start slowly as slin is somethign that "more is better" isn't the case.

RY

[COASTAL]

for the info fellas. BIG help!
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[COASTAL]

Which slin do you recc. I keep hearing good things about humalog??
COASTAL

[wolverine]

Humalog is first choice if you can get it as it requires a script in the states, but humulin-r is most widely used because it's OTC.

[Dizzy]

Humalog is faster acting so easier to control. I use Humulin-R because of its availability. Like wolverine mentioned it is over the counter.

[Big A]

I disagree - humalog is too quick acting, it can catch you by surprise, especially if you are not experienced with it and you don't know your threshold. Humulin-R - you have to be a complete idiot to screw up with it. It's very easily controllable. First crash happens after 1/2 hour and that will be taken care off by the glucose that you have with the shot (10g for every 1IU). Second crash happens 2 hours to 2 1/2 hours later. You have a HUGE meal at that time and you are scott free, no problems.

I take either 1/2 of my GH in th emorning and the other half before bed, or all of it before bed, depending on what I am using, when I am using it and circumstances.

[Ry Roid]

I have NEVER had a prob w/ hum r but, w/ humalog you have to be fucking precise to not go into hypo. It is a touchy one that you have to be very experienced w/ insulin before attempting it.

RY

[wolverine]

Here's a good refrence for how long different types of slin are active, and how quick the spike is.

[COASTAL]

What are all of your opinions on slin pre-workout??? It seems it could be very beneficial if one knows what they are doing and knows how sensitive they are to the slin.


btw this has been a great thread, thanks for all the info.
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[Ry Roid]

Wouldn't suggest it and have tried quite a few times. Sometimes I use Glucophage now before workouts but, never slin.

RY

[COASTAL]

glucophage, Ry??? Did you see in real difference in your pump??
Also have heard alot of guys take glucophage with slin....Why?

COASTAL

[Dizzy]

Originally posted by Big A
I disagree - humalog is too quick acting, it can catch you by surprise, especially if you are not experienced with it and you don't know your threshold. Humulin-R - you have to be a complete idiot to screw up with it. It's very easily controllable. First crash happens after 1/2 hour and that will be taken care off by the glucose that you have with the shot (10g for every 1IU). Second crash happens 2 hours to 2 1/2 hours later. You have a HUGE meal at that time and you are scott free, no problems.

I take either 1/2 of my GH in th emorning and the other half before bed, or all of it before bed, depending on what I am using, when I am using it and circumstances.

I guess its all the time you have to worry about going hypo with Humulin R. I like the shit to be in and out fast. So you know how many carbs you need...then you can go on about your biz.

[Dizzy]

Originally posted by COASTAL
What are all of your opinions on slin pre-workout??? It seems it could be very beneficial if one knows what they are doing and knows how sensitive they are to the slin.


btw this has been a great thread, thanks for all the info.
COASTAL

With Humilin R....sometimes I have to inject before workout so I don't have to stay up all night worrying about going hypo. It works for me. I just have a couple of carb drinks during workout. I don't know what kind of problems would arise out of it.

BTW - I just use 10ius.

[Ry Roid]

Originally posted by COASTAL
glucophage, Ry??? Did you see in real difference in your pump??
Also have heard alot of guys take glucophage with slin....Why?

COASTAL

Actually it does increase pumps and it makes your body use insulin better w/ better sensitivity. I didn't think it would be such a great product but, I do like it now.

RY

[COASTAL]

Ok, if one has decided to use slin for bulking and will be using it post w-out, workout days ONLY. .........then on non w-out days do just not eat/drink the extra carbs that you would normally need for the slin?? Say you do 10iu, then have 100 gr carbs, do you just avoid the carbs on non-workout days or maybe try and spread them out over the course of the day with your other meals??? Sorry all the questions, but just learning!
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[Big A]

Again, don't do insulin before a workout unless you are really experienced with it.
Also, 10IU won't do shit unless you are very sensitive to insulin or you weigh 150lbs.

Never do Glucophage with insulin, unless you REALLY know what you are doing! Glucophage makes you more sensitive to insulin. How sensitive? you don't know. So you can easily go into hypo. So just stick to insulin now until you get experience and use glucophage on the days that you don't use insulin.

[COASTAL]

the carb quetsion. Those extra carbs on non-workout days.....do you need them??
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[Pusher]

Do a big shot in the morning with a heavy carb meal consisting of 50/50 fast and slow carbs.

Do a small shot in the early to mid afternoon, but nothing 2 hrs before your workout. Eat normal and take in a protein shake or two.

Right after your workout do another big shot and eat a large meal. Real food; rice, potatoes, steak, burgers. EAT A LOT.

Right before bed do a semi-big shot and eat a heavy carb meal similar to what you had for breakfast, only more.

Big shot= A dose that WILL put you into hypoglycemia if you don't eat soon enough.

Small shot= A dose that will keep you hungry but won't bring on the sweating and dizzyness of hypoglycemia.

A big shot for a 200lb first timer would probably be around 6iu's; a small shot, probably around 2-3iu.

Naturally you'll gradually increase the dose, but do so carefully and don't rush it. Maybe 1-2iu per shot every 2-3 days, nothing faster. Peoples reaction to insulin varries greatly, some can bang 15-20iu throughout the day and keep eating without breaking a sweat, while some can only stand 5iu's a couple times a day.

Only use the [R] insulin's. The long acting and short acting slin's are too unpredictable. The R's are easy to gauge with a 30-45min onset with IM injection. Act-rapid and Humalog can take as quickly as 5 mins or as long as 30 and hit much harder and faster. U N and L insulins can produce unexpected quick drops in bloodsugar.

[Big A]

Actrapid is R not log :)

[Pusher]

Originally posted by Big A
Actrapid is R not log :)

You're correct. It's porcine/pig insulin if memory serves me right, been a couple years since I've had a bottle. I think I was thinking of another insulin when I wrote that, can't remember now. It's a zero carb day, go figure.

[COASTAL]

I train at 11:00 am, how would this affect my injection timing if I get up and eat around 6:30. Also my second question was, do you need those extra carbs on non w-out days that you take in post w-out with the slin????
COASTAL