Magic Solution Revealed

rescued · #1 (**permalink**) 06-22-2002, 02:50 AM

benzyl alcohol. This is probably the exact same substance sold by anyone who sells "kits." The other ingredient would be sesame oil USP or mineral oil USP (U.S. Pharmacy (grade)) Regardless of whether or not this is the actual ingredient in the "Kits", it will work just as well. It is the ingredient in bacteriostatic water that keeps the water fresh. It is used to dissolve medicines for injections. Don't believe that since it is an alcohol that it is painful to inject, as benzyl alcohol has many uses as a topical anesthetic, i.e. it numbs whatever it contacts. This is why a correct mixture of fina using a kit is virtually painless. A good mixture would be 1ml of benzyl alcohol for every 1000 mg of fina. I wouldnt go less than this, but more certainly wouldnt hurt. There are many suppliers out there, just do a quick internet search. Get yourself some sterile vials, filter needles, and oil and your cattle will begin to grow by leaps and bounds. By the way, this was researched with the help of a licensed pharmacist who also teaches at a pharmacy college. I dare anyone to challenge me on this. A few quick searches on the internet and you should be in business. Good luck! Sorry animal and the others, but all monopolies will eventually fall. Magic solution my ass! And by the way bros, use a little common sense with this stuff. The simple truth is is that we don't as much about Tren as we could. I did a search on pubmed.com, and was startled to not find any human studies. Stick to low dose/short cycles. Who knows what the long term effects of this stuff is? Having said that, I also know that Tren is my favorite AAS. The stuff simply works, and works great.

basskiller · #2 (**permalink**) 06-22-2002, 04:29 AM

Do you honestly believe that you hit on something new... For Gods sake man, Just about everyone knows that it is the main ingredient, but it's not the only one in the disolving solution...Were not talking about the oil either.

Some may have just the BA and some have 2 and 3 compounds in the solution alone.

rescued · #3 (**permalink**) 06-22-2002, 04:54 AM

I agree with you. I am only posting this so that others will not think that they have to succumb to ordering a kit from someone to make tren. getting gear is tough enough, and then thinking you have to buy a "kit" to convert it is just overkill. whatever the other two "magic" compounds are, they arent necessary to convert fina into a safe, usable injectable. why should we make others rich based on "magic." Well, the news is, there is no magic. Its all basic pharmacology and chemistry. Unfortunately, some members and guests do not have the necessary contacts and insider networking to be able to discern unnecessary information from those that are willing to prey on them to make a buck. But thanks for posting those sites. Now all everyone needs to do is just write down what tools they need, and then order them from a chemical supply lab for a much cheaper cost. This is capitalism in effect. I have just built a better mousetrap.

rescued · #4 (**permalink**) 06-22-2002, 05:27 AM

Sorry if I flamed a little last post. The truth is the sellers of kits lead people to believe that Kits are the only way to go. I know that BA use as the solution is common knowledge and has been for a while now. I also know that when I ordered my first kit, and not knowing EXACTLY what I was about to inject, I was quite nervous and made sure that I had I.V. Benadryl, Epinephrine, and Decadron on hand in case of an allergic reaction. The bottom line is whenever we inject a foreign substance, we are taking a risk. BA is a proven substance that will dissolve medications into an injectable form. What I do not know is the other ingredients in the "magic solution," and I really do not need to know because BA is all anyone really needs to convert tren from pellet to liquid. You certainly will not find a Rx med that contains BA to also have unknown ingredients unless those ingredients are a trade secret and have been approved by the FDA. I am pretty sure the folks selling kits arent submitting forms for FDA approval. Just ask anyone who has used TREN if they were nervous the first time they used. The answer will be yes. Now, with that said, are you ever nervous about taking a doctor prescribed medication? Probably not, unless there are serious side effects associated with it. That is because there is a level of trust between a doctor and a patient. I basically don't trust backyard chemists who received a chemistry kit for their birthday one year and decided that that was enough information for them. It is my body, and I want to know as much as I can about the substances I put into it.

Dizzy · #5 (**permalink**) 06-22-2002, 05:53 PM

Animals kit's magic solution does not have ba. I'm not 100% on that...but I really don't care since I don't use his kits.

I did a search on PubMed yesterday on tren and found some studies done with humans. You are right though there is still some mystery involved with it. But lets face it.....fina rocks.

Bottom line. The kit is easier. They really aren't that expensive. I'll stick with the kits.

tee · #6 (**permalink**) 06-24-2002, 03:10 AM

Thanks for the post Rescued. :)

swoll4u · #7 (**permalink**) 06-24-2002, 06:58 AM

I used accetone when I mad my Fina along with sunflower oil. I didnt think making fina was such an unknown thing. I got a membership at anabolicsupply.com and there was a whole step by step process on one of the pages.. Finakits are good two all depends on how much money you want to spend..

This is like the third board i have went to where people were talking about the "magic solution"/t\

Abombs · #8 (**permalink**) 06-24-2002, 01:25 PM

Just go to Aromakit.com and get your kits there. They have directions posted online for no additional charge.

stripper · #9 (**permalink**) 06-25-2002, 04:29 AM

no secret, but the kits are cheap and ez.i guess i am just lazy.

rj420 · #10 (**permalink**) 06-25-2002, 06:19 PM

of course they are going to market their "magic solution" bro, they are trying to make money aren't they. It is still easy and cheap as shit to order the kits. How much money do you save by ordering separately? Not too much. There are tons of kits nowadays... pumpnpose, finakits, aromakit, animalkits, etc...

QuietStorm · #11 (**permalink**) 11-02-2002, 06:31 PM

After using a kit with the solution and using your own 'cheaper' supplies to convert, Ill bet you the one with the solution will hurt less than the cheaper version. Something magic about that if you ask me.

slick · #12 (**permalink**) 11-03-2002, 03:54 AM

I can see that there are not too many people on this thread who are friendly to kit suppliers but I wanted to throw some info out on the table for everyone to absorb.

You CAN make your own finakit with just BA and oil. The thing about BA is that it is VERY water soluble and will leech out of the depot after injection causing crystalization. Those crystals are the main ingredient for pain.

It was stated that BA can be used as an anesthetic, which is true, BUT if used in high concentrations it can be an extreme irritant.

All that being said, the other ingredients used in the "magic solution" are more oil soluble cosolvents rather than more water soluble like BA is. This prevents crystalization in the depot and produces a much more comfortable injection.

However if you dont like the kits for whatever reasons, we sell BA, oil, ,vials etc. so that you can do your own experiments with the ingredients you desire. Just refer to the Kaotik Chemistry sticky thread at the top of the page.
We are not trying to be a monopoly as stated earlier in the thread, we simply provide a one-stop-shop for the chemistry enthusiast.

notacow · #13 (**permalink**) 11-08-2002, 08:47 PM

rescued: "mineral oil USP "
have you lost your mind? NEVER inject mineral oil.

swoll4u: I don't know what receipe you used, but for your sake I hope there's no acetone in the final result.

Gorillag · #14 (**permalink**) 11-08-2002, 11:59 PM

Guys the other main ingredient is benzyl benzanoate which stops the aas from crystalising cause it ain't water soluable. Next time you get real gear take the insert out and look at the ingredients its all there.

Ivan · #15 (**permalink**) 11-09-2002, 07:14 AM

Yep Gorillag is right, about the BB, and the acetone method was one of the 1st and primitive methods of converting. In the end the acetone is removed but it is extremely annoying and time consuming.....

For a 2g vial do this:

-dissolve your fina in 3ml BA
-1ml BB
-add 22mls of USP oil
-prefilter w/coffee filter
(this will take overnight to ensure all has been filtered through the coffee filter.
-syringe filter
-bake!