I don't get it

[lr6]

I just read on another board that some people dont gain well on test (claiming after excluding the fake, underdosed, and low dosage factors), I mean how could this b possible, when the primary male sex hormone is testosterone, shouldnt increasing the hormone lead to more growth? any reply would be greatly appreciated, and pls if anyone also experienced zero gains on test please include your dosage, brand and diet. Thanks

[lr6]

bump ..............anyone???

[gonnagetjacked]

I thing 99.99% will gain, with the right intensity with your workouts, nutrition, recovery.

That .01% that does not gain could have a more serious hormonal inbalance, or some other problem contributing to their lack of gains (Lazy, Stupid, etc)

[lr6]

thats exactly what i thought, but i was looking for a more scientific explanation for such a situation to occur, cause in my my gym i'm bombarded with remarks that "test sucks, couldnt gain a pound"..and stuff like that (also from vets who know how to diet, train and 'suppelement'), and when u think of it, that cant just work, cause you make test and u 'should' take test...just my 2c
mods....any ideas????

[BIGRIG]

Well I don't know why it is either but I can gain more off of other drugs than test, I have a few friends like that too, While some others grow like a weed on the shit? Strange? .... BUT, if I take test suspension than holy fuck it's like a whole new story then I grow and get strong, but if I take enanthate, prop, cyp, or sust etc, I usually just get a puffy face and sore nipples not much in size or strength gains.

I always use test in my cycles but anytime I've tried it by itself I don't see very good results.

[rajizi]

Test is test. Whether its suspension or sust. The only differnce is the time it takes for the ester chain to be taken off. When sust or suspension hits your receptors, its with the same molecule. The guys that at your gym either had underdosed gear, did not eat, or did not train. Any of the previous will equal no growth. Scientifically speaking there is always a chance that someone might have a genetic predispostion to have less androgen receptors, abnormal enzyme levels of aramotase, high levels of the DHT coverting enzyme, or low esterase enzymes causing the inablity to break off the ester. But these are very rare in the general population. All of us have are differnt in the amount of genetic growth we can achieve, but most all can gain something.

BR

[SAC]

i'm with rajizi.

[BIGRIG]

well, the stuff I get isn't fake first off, myslef and my buddies that don't respond to test know how to train and eat so thats not the case it's just some guys do not respond well to test, just like some guys don't respond to other drugs....For example my training partner holds a Jr. Canadian bench record....he was taking sustanon for the first time a couple months ago, He got bloated put on weight but his strenght barely budged, and this is a guy who has trained naturally most of his life, if anyone should have blown up off of it, it should be him.

OH yeah I'm also sick of hearing test is test, well scientifically that may be true, but in the real world they work very differently....tell me what is better 700mgs/wk of suspension or 700mgs/wk of enanthate??? I guarantee you that you will get alot more gains off of the suspension, and hold less water.?)

[Cyclone]

your body has the ability to eat test up. deca and other drugs are better if used alone in most cases. for some people, test alone is very ineffective.

[rajizi]

Originally posted by BIGRIG
well, the stuff I get isn't fake first off, myslef and my buddies that don't respond to test know how to train and eat so thats not the case it's just some guys do not respond well to test, just like some guys don't respond to other drugs....For example my training partner holds a Jr. Canadian bench record....he was taking sustanon for the first time a couple months ago, He got bloated put on weight but his strenght barely budged, and this is a guy who has trained naturally most of his life, if anyone should have blown up off of it, it should be him.

OH yeah I'm also sick of hearing test is test, well scientifically that may be true, but in the real world they work very differently....tell me what is better 700mgs/wk of suspension or 700mgs/wk of enanthate??? I guarantee you that you will get alot more gains off of the suspension, and hold less water.?)

I agree that you'll see more gains from suspension than enathate....but thats because you have more TEST per mg in the susp, than the esterfied enanthate which adds a heavy carbon chain to the test molecule. So you have the weight in enanthate that equals 250mg/ml....but its not truly 250...only suspension which has not ester is. Anway, we all respond differnt to differnt compounds...but I find it hard to believe that there are people who get NO effect at all from a good dose of test as the first post states.

BR

[gymratz]

The New England Medical Journals did research regarding this (6 yrs ago). If I followed the results closely as it interseted me greatly.
Using a DOUBLE-BLIND method that is to say Sustanon 250 for some and Placebe (plain oily injection) the followed the group over a period of several months.

Some used excercise and diet, others just excersise, while some just sat around and did nothing. The intersesting results were that all training participants showed considerble results, the Testosterone users made better gains than all placebo's.

Now here the interesting part. The non-exercise group on Sustanon lost bodyfat % and gained small amounts of muscle.

This was a proffesional scientific experiment held under strict conditions,

for more information: http://content.nejm.org/