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2nd cycle, fina, test what else?
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Old 05-19-2002, 04:36 PM
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2nd cycle, fina, test what else?

Ok, I am 5' 7" 180lbs. This will be my second cycle and I am looking into running
Fina at the begining for about 75mg a day,
I am getting test enthanate somewhere around 600mg a week
I will be running for around 10 weeks and am wandering what else would go good in this cycle.
I will have the usual clomid and anti estrogens.

I am looking to gain as much mass as I can get.
thanks for any help
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Old 05-19-2002, 05:47 PM
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if i were you, i would add some d-bol to run during the first four weeks of the cycle to give it a kick start...i would run the fina for the last six weeks of the cycle...depending on the availability of goodies for you, you might also add another anabolic to run for the entire ten weeks like eq or deca
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Old 05-19-2002, 07:46 PM
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ok, what would the dose for eq be? 450mg or so a week?
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Old 05-19-2002, 08:14 PM
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i would go minimum 400 mgs/wk on the eq
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Old 05-19-2002, 09:21 PM
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Based on info below, I would switch from enanthate to prop for last 2 weeks so you can begin Post Cycle Clomid Therapy 3 days after last injections.

I would also add 50mg Winny (25mg 2x) ED. While its debatable as to the theory on competing for progesterone, it seems to work if Fina doses aren't too high. Fina doesn’t convert to estrogen; it has an affinity to the progesterone receptor. It attaches and activates the progesterone receptor in your body, in a sense thinks it is progesterone and you get the associated sides, such as bitch tits. This can happen just as easily as estrogen, especially if you are predisposed to this sort of thing.

Winny is an anti-progesterone, which blocks the receptors. This why stacking Winny with Fina is so common – as an anti-progesterone.

Starting post-cycle clomid therapy depends on what @#%$ was used during the cycle. Different @#%$ have different half lifes and beginning clomid intake should be adjusted accordingly. If clomid is taken when androgen levels in our body are still high, it will be a waste. You need to wait for androgen levels to fall before implementing clomid therapy. However, if you wait too long you could possibly lose gains. Look at the list below to determine when you should start clomid therapy. List all the @#%$ used in your cycle and which ever one has the latest starting point then go with that. For example, if cycle consisted of dbol, sustanon and winstrol, use cessation of sustanon to determine when to begin clomid as it remains active for the longest period of time.

Anadrol/Anapolan: 8 - 12 hours after last administration
Deca: 3 weeks after last injection and clomid for 4 weeks
Dianabol: 4 – 8 hours after last administration
Equipoise: 17 – 21 days after last injection
Fina: 3 days after last injection
Primobolan depot: 10 – 14 days after last injection
Sustanon: 3 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Cypionate: 2 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Enanthate: 2 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Propionate: 3 days after last injection
Testosterone Suspension: 4 – 8 hours after last administration
Winstrol: 8 – 12 hours after last administration

Use Clomid at 300mgs on first day of administration. Split this up 2 tabs (50mg ea. ) 3 times a day. After first day, use 100mgs (one tab, 2 times a day) for 10 days and then followed by 50mgs for 10 days.

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