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Old 04-16-2002, 12:35 AM
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How to use sustanon 250

The proper use of Sustanon in a cycleby Squatdemon

One of the most misunderstood ideals when it comes to Sustanon is how to properly use it in a cycle. There is no wrong way, but there is a best way to administer proper doseages so you can fully benifit from the esters in Sustanon.

Sustanon was developed for the primary reason of hormone replacement, and because of the mix of esters most patients only needed one shot a month to keep their hormone levels balanced. Because of this design, the bodybuilder will not recieve proper doseages at once or twice a week injections. Your blood levels will fluctuate up and down continually, which is not what you want while on a cycle. You want stable levels to give your body the best chance it can have to build plenty of muscle.

All test is the same, but once only the ester is removed. People that say test is test are wrong unless you are assuming that the ester has already been removed. I have had plenty of different results fromt the different tests I have used, as well as I am sure you have too. The secret to making sus work correctly, is timing the esters so the blood levels do not fluctuate.

I will assume that everyone knows how an ester works and why one is added to the parent testosterone. With sustanon, you have 4 esters:30mg of prop60mg of phenylprop60mg of isocaproate100mg of deconateCombined to give you 250mg. Now everyone knows for themselves how much test they should take due to previous cycles or no cycles at all. Lets take each ester and see how long they will stay active in the body. 30mg of prop--Prop needs to be injected at least every other day to get the full benifits of the test. I think every third day is a little too long to wait, although some people may disagree. Now lets say you are doing a prop only cycle and injecting 30mg twice a week. You can see already that is a waste of gear. If you inject 30mg of prop twice a week you are totally wasting your time. You will NOT grow off of this, so you can basically take sus and knock it down to 220mg an amp if you are injecting once or twice a week. 60 mg of phenylprop--Phenylprop is not that much different than prop. You can get away with injecting the phenylprop ester every third day. Anyone that has taken nandrolone with a phenylprop ester knows that it is shorter acting and must be injected twice a week (for example, getwoods powder). If injected twice a week, then lets even cushion the amount, you will have all 120 mg in one week.

To recap, so far this is what you get the first week---180 mg of test in your system. If you ask me that was a waste of two amps. That is barely enough to supress the axis, and that is about all you will have happen if you inject 180mg of test per week. Now lets look at the longer acting esters in sus. 60mg of Isocaproate--Isocaproate will give you a duration of about a week before it is let go. This is not bad, but at 60 mg you are still not getting enough test to make it worth the time. 100mg of Deconate--Here is the daddy of the four esters. This is the same ester that is used in Decca-Durabolin. The deconate ester should really average out at 2 weeks, but has been said to last up to 3.This ester was added at a 100mg dose to balance out the quicker acting esters used in sustanon.

If we review one more time, we can see roughly how much test we will have in our body per week when we use sus, and hopefully you can see it is very low. You can pretty much take out the prop and phenylprop until about week 3 or 4, because once the other esters release the test and it gets time to build up in the system, the prop and phenylprop is useless. Not until around week six are you going to get your test levels high enough to do any good, and if you are on a 10 week cycle and start tapering week 8, then your test have been only relatively high for about 2-3 weeks. Call me crazy, but that is not at all what I want in a cycle. Every test cycle should be started high to hit those receptors hard, and I dont even taper at the end (but that is a different story).

The numbers that BIGDAWG and I worked on basically show that your test levels will never at one time be stable for more that a couple of weeks. Why do you think that people say they have less bloat on sus and less sides. There is so little of the short acting test in your system at one time that it is impossible to get any bloat or side effects at all. So you ask, well what is the best way to take sus then? First I would answer dont buy it. If you really want to use a 4 blend test then buy some of the old omna (not the new ones), they have more shorter acting tests in them and the blood levels will stay more equal.

If you dont believe me, ask anyone that has used the old omna and they will tell you they got quite a bit of bloat from it. Reason being is the shorter acting esters in the omna build up your blood levels quicker, hence you have the bloat factor. If someone doesnt like my first answer, then I will give them a second, "inject the sus everyday or at the least every other day." I usually get the "wholly shit, thats crazy!!!" answer. I usually tell them back, no its not crazy, its science. The actual science of sus combined with a bodybuilders needs equal injecting every day.

People seem to forget about the esters and think they are injecting all of 1750mg each week and getting every mg of it. Trust me folks, I am not talking about injecting 7 amps a week for 10 weeks, I am suggesting injecting an amp a day for 3 weeks, and letting the esters do thier work after that. When you crunch the numbers, for the first two weeks you are really only getting the prop, phenylprop, and a little of the isocaproate. Maybe about 700-750 mg for the first two weeks, and for weeks after that when all of the isocaproate and deconate kick in you will stay aroung 600-800mg for weeks following the first couple. You have a perfect taper, if you are into that, and stable test levels. If you go to eod, it will vary a bit, but not enough to really make too much of a difference.

Start off the cycle with 5 weeks of dbol while using the sus, and when you are done with the sustanon, then immediately start injecting two anabolics like eq and decca, or decca and primo/winny. This is a cycle that a lot of the pros are using called front end loading with an anabolic taper. I guinea pigged this idea when BIGDAWG and I were discussing it many months back, and damn it was a really good cycle. Not as good as 1000mg of aratest a week, but still a pretty good cycle. I have cycled sus/omna both ways, and trained relatively the same with the same kind of diet. The difference in the two cycles were like night and day, about a 15-17 pound difference, and two amps of omna a week was my first cycle too. You know, the one you are supposed to grow the most off of because of the virgin receptors. So test may be test, but you will not get the same results from every ester out there if you dont know how to time them. If you are thinking of a sus/omna cycle, give this a try. I promise you will not be disappointed, and you just may thank me and DAWG later......peace.

Oh, here's a graph to go along with it:


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The peak at wk 6 is when you are obviously at your highest level of test in the body, but at one amp twice a week for an example you can see you will only have 3-4 weeks of decent test levels. This is obviously not to scale, just a visual aid to give you and idea of how the levels spike.....peace (Squatdemon)


info taken from "http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=7118&highlight=Squatdemon"
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A extreme form of frontloading. an amp a day for the first 3 weeks. That is a lot of test, especially for a new guy.
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That's some good info. Thanks for posting!

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That is an interesting theory you have there but not entirely true.

Yes some of the drugs in sustanon are fast acting and some are slow. And yes if you take it everyday you will see dramatic results in size in comparison to 2-3 times a week injections. But that goes for ANY test with ANY ester. The more you do the more you will grow.

You said it yourself...Sustanon is designed to elevate test levels in such a way as to limit therapy to once a month injections. So do the math!!!
If you can keep your levels up to normal with once a month injections, I think it goes without saying that if you have 8-12 injections a month you are going to be WELL beyond your natural levels and you will DEFINITLY grow.

I would do a little more reasearch on how long an ester will give you an elevated test level. Also when you inject a test with a long acting ester you still get immediate raising of test levels, just not at the full potency.

I would not recommend anyone take a sustanon a day, in any circumstance!
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Old 10-20-2002, 01:34 PM
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That is an interesting theory you have there but not entirely true.

Yes some of the drugs in sustanon are fast acting and some are slow. And yes if you take it everyday you will see dramatic results in size in comparison to 2-3 times a week injections. But that goes for ANY test with ANY ester. The more you do the more you will grow.

You said it yourself...Sustanon is designed to elevate test levels in such a way as to limit therapy to once a month injections. So do the math!!!
If you can keep your levels up to normal with once a month injections, I think it goes without saying that if you have 8-12 injections a month you are going to be WELL beyond your natural levels and you will DEFINITLY grow.

I would do a little more reasearch on how long an ester will give you an elevated test level. Also when you inject a test with a long acting ester you still get immediate raising of test levels, just not at the full potency.

I would not recommend anyone take a sustanon a day, in any circumstance!
well first off read the article again and again let it soak into that brain of yours. I have done it this way and yes I GROW and i can see what they are saying.. I think you may have misinterperated this article..
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I am not trying to flame anyone.

I just think that that is alot of juice for anyone to do let alone someone who is a beginner or even a intermediate user.

I believe the person that this article was bumped for is a newbie right?

I just dont want to see anyone over-do it and pay consequences.
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Old 10-20-2002, 06:00 PM
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I am not trying to flame anyone.

I just think that that is alot of juice for anyone to do let alone someone who is a beginner or even a intermediate user.

I believe the person that this article was bumped for is a newbie right?

I just dont want to see anyone over-do it and pay consequences.
no flame intended we are all adults here.. well I hope so ..so we can air our opinion freely.
I do believe that person is a newbie and that this articles "CYCLE" isn't recmended for that person..just to get an understanding of the "SUSTANON"

"I just dont want to see anyone over-do it and pay consequences"

heres a cycle of a person from another board posted his next cycle and it looks like this:

Is this over doing it or just and experience cyclier? or is it total stupid to run this cycle this long with such high dose;s?


1-6
D-Bol 50mg/ed
Test Enan 750mg/wk
Deca 600mg/wk

7-20
Test Enan 500mg/wk
Deca 200mg/wk
EQ 400mg/wk
Halo 40mg/ed (wks 15-20)

21-30
Test Enan 250 mg/wk

31-45
Test Enan 750mg/wk
EQ 400mg/wk
Deca 200mg/wk
Winny 50mg/ed (wks 38-45)

46-51
Test Enan 500mg/wk
EQ 600mg/wk

52-62
EQ 400mg/wk
Prop 100mg/ed
Fina 50mg/ed

63-66
Anavar 100mg/ed
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I would say that it is definitly over doing it.

I am not one that thinks year round cycles are good but everyone has their own opinions on that and have their own goals to reach.
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To expand a little mor on my opinion I would say that for an experienced user the doses are not bad. I wouldnt do such high dose anavar. Or run the deca at such a high dose.But all in all it aint that bad.

My current cycle is:

wk 1-4
750mg Sustanon/wk
75mg Fina EOD
50mg Anadrol ED
1mg Anastroaole EOD
25mg Nolva ED

wk5-6
750mg sus/wk
75mg fina EOD
50mg Winstrol ED
1mg Ana EOD

wk 7-8
50mg Wintsrol EOD
300mg/wk Primo (if I can get them in time)

This is the ruff idea of what I am doing but I never stick to a cycle as originally planned. I always watch my body and decide when exactly to add other drugs and finish with them.
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when I run sust I throw in prop first three wks and again the last four wks.
wk 1-3 500 sust,200mg prop
wk 4-8 750mg sust
wk 9-12 5-600mg prop.

works for me.

oh ya,this is not for the first time user.
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