sust/deca cycle... opinions

[lift2grow]

Whast up guys.....

I would love to hear your opinions onmy up coming cycle...

my stats are as follows: i'm 5-10 170 lbs been working out solid 3 years natural- before i started I weighed 140 soaking wet!!!

So i'm gonna go w/ sust 250 1 amp every 5 days and deca 200 mg every 5 days as well. Both for 10 weeks w/ Clomid therapy to follow...

BEing my first cycle I wanted to start out conserative and see how my body reacts...

What do you guys think??

I Welcome and appreciate your opinions and suggestions.

Chris-/

[davebelone]

so you will average:

350 mg sus a week
and
280 mg deca a week

the minimum amount of deca one should take is 2mg per 1 pound of body weight. which would be 340 mg in your case. your deca is very low.

sus is one drug that takes for ever to even begin to work, most cases 4 weeks. and at your dose, i would say it will take 5 weeks to begin to work, and same with the deca.

so i would say that you will grow, just not until week 5, and not at a high rate. maybe 6 -8 pounds of mass i would guess.

[lr6]

I think thats a good start, but quite far from the doses I used for my first cycle ( a gram of test and deca, .......I know it was foolish, but gaining 45 pounds was really something), keep it that way bro for your next cycles and dont b in a rush when it comes to upping the dose, although what I consider a good cycle for a newbie would look something like this:

400mg deca/w
500mg sus/w
40mg of d-bol/day for the first 5 weeks (cycle would b 10 weeks by the way)

Anyway good luck, and awesome growth :-)

[rajizi]

As Davebelone said above, your not going to have any androgen buidup until the 4th week. And running the sust for 10 weeks is running a 14 week cycle due to the half life of sust. I would up your deca to at least 400mg a day and run the sust EOD for the first 3 weeks. If you look up the half life of the 4 esters and do the math your going to have stable levels of test at 200+mg the first week, 400+ for the next 2 weeks, a jump to 600+ in week four, then back to around 400mg a week through week 6. If you run the deca for the first 6 weeks at 400, you'll be clean by the end of week 8. Also week 7 +8 will give you a nice anabolic taper coming off the androgens from the previous weeks. Some say this helps with solidifying muscle, but I'm not too sure. This would be a good start for a newbie, and I think you'll have better gains than your original plan.

BR

[lift2grow]

Is there scientific evidence saying that the deca dose should be 2 mg. per pound of body weight???

I find that hard to believe only b/c I have a friend who did 200 mg. every week for 8 weeks and gained 14 lbs.

All those high doses are a bit much fo rme.. This will be my first cycle.. 500 sust 400 deca and 40 d-bol is by no means a beginners cycle NO THANKS!!!

I'd rather wait and see how my body reacts to small doses before jumping to the big boys levels.

thanks again for all your opinions,

C

[davebelone]

from your post it sounds like you wanted to hear how you were going to blow up, and you werent really asking for help after all. you sound angry that people said to do more. a couple points.

1. you are not your friend, results will vary
2. you asked for advice, no one said you had to take it.
3. YES IT IS VERY WELL KNOWN that deca at 2mg per pound is the MINIMAL dosage. i never said you had to follow it. it is just a WELL KNOWN fact that anything under 2mg per pound will not produce optimal gains. you can do less. if your mind was made up to do less, may i ask, why did you even ask for help?
4. as far as scientific evidence, there are very few studies on steroids, but many of us study on ourselves daily. after years and years of reading these boards i can tell you that 2mg/1pound body is usually a LIMITED amount of deca. deca is a weak steroid, and if you dont eat like 3 cows at your dosage you wont grow. but, you added test so you will hold water.

good luck. that is a good first cycle, i was only attempting to give you an awsome first cycle. the very first cycle is the one that gives you the most gains, all cycles there after are weak and shitty compared. so if you want to blow it, go ahead man, i was just trying to give you a 30pound cycle, not an 8 pound one bro.

after a year or two of using and hanging out here, you will understand why i posted this, and than understand i wasnt flaming you, or talking shit, but trying to help you out.

later my friend./

[slide]

Originally posted by rajizi
As Davebelone said above, your not going to have any androgen buidup until the 4th week. And running the sust for 10 weeks is running a 14 week cycle due to the half life of sust. I would up your deca to at least 400mg a day and run the sust EOD for the first 3 weeks. If you look up the half life of the 4 esters and do the math your going to have stable levels of test at 200+mg the first week, 400+ for the next 2 weeks, a jump to 600+ in week four, then back to around 400mg a week through week 6. If you run the deca for the first 6 weeks at 400, you'll be clean by the end of week 8. Also week 7 +8 will give you a nice anabolic taper coming off the androgens from the previous weeks. Some say this helps with solidifying muscle, but I'm not too sure. This would be a good start for a newbie, and I think you'll have better gains than your original plan.

BR

You said "up your deca to at least 400mg a day..." Did you mean 400mg a day or did you mean 400mg a week? I read the rest of the post and I'm pretty sure you meant a week, but just wondering. Thanks...

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[davebelone]

i think he meant week

[lift2grow]

Dave,

Sorry if I came off sounding angry, I am by no means angry at all.
And I truly do appreciate your input on my upcoming cycle.

I wasn't looking to hear how I was gonna blow up on this cycle either, as I stated I wanted to go conservative the first time and see how my body reacts before doing a bigger cycle. If by chance my body reacts really well to low doses then it would be counter productive upping those doses for my first cycle.

I've read ALOT of posts and i've done alot of research and I honestly would have to say that while I don't expect to gain 30 lbs on this deca/sust cycle but I do expect to gain more then 8 lbs as you stated. I think 8 lbs is what you would gain on say a straight sust cycle @ 250 for 10 weeks. W/ sust @ 350 and deca @ 280 i'm shooting for 15-20lbs. My calorie intake will be 4000-5000 300 grams of protein a day. Liduidex throughout cycle followed by clomid therapy 3 weeks afer last shot.

If I only gain 8lbs I must admit I will be dissapointed but I really think this won't be the case.

As far as the first cycle being the best I tend to disagree w/ that statement but hey, experience is the best teacher. Just my opinion, as you said everyones body reacts differently.

Again Dave, I apologize for coming off sounding like I wanted to hear how Iwas gonna blow up or just rude in general, I do not want to give off that type of persona here.

I really appreciate your views and input on this.

C

[rajizi]

Originally posted by slide


You said "up your deca to at least 400mg a day..." Did you mean 400mg a day or did you mean 400mg a week? I read the rest of the post and I'm pretty sure you meant a week, but just wondering. Thanks...

---slide---

Yes, I meant week. Thanks for pointing that out./t\

BR

[ironone1]

I would do a single ester test first off. Preferably Cyp. or Enan; and 400mg of Deca for 10-12 weeks. The d-bol for the first 5 weeks but at 30mg/day. 40mgs. might be a little high for a novice. Have nolva. on hand for possible gyno, and clomid for post. Good luck bro.