Not what I ordered!!

[Growing Dad]

I suppose I'm not the first person to have this happen, but my source did not bring me the sus250&deca like I ordered. He decided that he'd pick something he thought was better!(maybe he does know better, he's been supplying people with gear for a long time).
So now here is what I ended up with and have it right now in hand.
Brovel Norandren 200 10cc bottle. Brovel Testerona 200 10cc bottle, A box of Clomid tabs.
I had done all my asking & research on what I thought was getting, so please tell me how use these things correctly! I have my new spikes ready too, 3cc body with 22ga 1.5 inch needle.
Thanks Gents!

[IronAddict]

That sux bro ,u should always get what u orderd......IronAddict

[Growing Dad]

It does suck. I was upset and he knew it and promised he'd get me "exactly" whatever I want next time. I trust the guy and he was shocked I was dissapointed cuz he knows his shit and was, according to him, trying to make things more cost effective while still providing top notch gear. I just need to go back to school here and firgure out the safe and best way to stack and get rolling.

[Big A]

You should ALWAYS get what you order. If you don't, the source should make it up to you by giving you EXTRA products for nothing!

The reason why he got you that mexican junk is because it costs him fuck all to buy! It's shitty quality and I hope that he charged you MUCH less for them than the other 2 products you ordered as this crap is CHEAP!

You should use the same amount of gear mg wise as stated before, but double the amont with these products, since they are underdosed and of shitty quality. So, instead of taking 500mg Sus, take 1000mg brovel and instead of 400 deca take 800mg nandrolona.

Also, you should bake the crap and filter it as well as it's dirty as hell.

[Growing Dad]

\./ I'm not saying he's right so don't take offense friend, I just want to pick your brains a bit more. He said to only take 1/2 cc of the Norandren 200 a week and 1-2 cc's of the testerona 200 a week. And from what i've read the Norandren is a potent vetrinary version of deca? He did throw in the clomid for free.
He supplies so many people with this stuff, they say it's da shit.
But that's why i'm here talking to you guys, because they could just all be thinking it's the shit because that's what they were told! Although most of these people are college and professional football players here locally, and huge!
Your thoughts?
By the way, I'm very math ignorant. Especially with conversion to metric(never needed to know b4!)
My bottles & syringes are in CC's, can u break it down for me like that. Sorry for being dumb bout it. There's a reason I went into the driving business! (not much thought!) I just want to be big, happy & safe!

[jdvctt73]

first off norandren 200 is deca. so at least he got the deca.

[jdvctt73]

very simple a cc. and a ml. are the same . so if u have a 10 ml. bottle , thats the same as a 10 cc. bottle . if u have the deca 200 that means there is 200 mcg . per ml or cc. that is how stron it is say u wanted to take 400mcg of deca a week that would be a 2ccshoot or a 2ml shoot.

[Big A]

First off - he was supposed to get TT deca which is good quality. Nor deca is SHIT! Get it???
Fuck it pisses me off when people don't know the entire story and then they put their 2 cents in which are totally irrelevant!!

'Growing dad' - cc or ml (1ml = 1cc) is how you measure the volume of fluid (water, oil, etc). mg is the amount of drug in that ml or cc of fluid.

So, where it says 200mg/ml nandrolone, that means that each ml/cc of that substance contains 200mg of the drug.
So, if you are supposed to take 400mg of that product, that means 2cc/ml of it.

Now, both of those products are of VERY bad quality. Sure, people can say that they are good if they have nothing to comapre them to. They will still get results since they are using gear. The problem with those two products you have is that they are underdosed and they are very dirty. There tests done on them a year ago or so and they were posted on Renegade. The bacteria count in both of those was EXTREMELLY high! So, if you use them, you have to bake them or run them through a syringe filter before you inject them or you run the risk of an abscess - not fun!

Also, since they are so underdosed, in some tests they were as low as 50% of what they were supposed to contain, you should use twice the amount that you would have used of any other quality gear, like the sustanon you were supposed to get.

[hannibal]

I am sorry to hear that. that sux. as big A said, ttokkyo deca is very very superior to the deca you got. it was much more potent.

you originally wanted deca and sustanon. well, you still got deca and test. (sustanon is test) the only difference between test sus, and test 200 you got, is the ester.

the sus stays in your system longer. I dont know if you have read anything on esters, but if you have, then you'll get me.

if not, then an ester is added to the steroid at the 17th position, and it prevents the enzymes in the blood from breaking the drug down quickly. sus had short and long term esters. so it begins to work quick and keeps working for a while. where as the T200, take a while to get into your system.

in my opinion, there isnt a real huge difference in size from switching from sus to T200. however, if you went from a quality sus, to T200, then you will notice a difference do your underdosed shit.

good luck my friend. that really sux. At least you didnt get scammed. You may want to buy a sterile vial and a syringe filter. suck up the steroids you have into a needle, put on a syringe filter, and push the oil through the filter into the sterile vial.

i mostly just repeated big A, but i did want to back up what he says, he is right on!

[Bigbadasian]

|---[\\\\]>-------- Let me get this straight..you paid for sus250 and deca and you got T200 and Nor? Fuck, did he give you like 3/4 of your $$ back b/c he should have...T200 and the Nor would cost SOOOOOO much less than sus250/Nor300.....you should have gotten like 5-6 btls of T200 at least to make up for the sus...man, go back to him and tell him you know he fucked you...that is bull shit...my guy couldn't fill my sus250 one time and gave me like 1000 tabs of dbol, 2 btls of Nor300, 4 btls of T200, and T3....all for 3 btls of sus250 from Toe....as you can see, he covered the sus250 WAY more than he needed too...that is a true source!

[Growing Dad]

Thanks for all the badly needed info. I went back to my guy and expressed my displeasure to say the least.
He apologized whole heartedly and promised to get me my original order at no xtra charge and let me keep the stuff he got for me. He said he was just trying to make things easier for me (since im new to gear) by getting me what most of his customers are asking for(even tho i asked for the other stuff, so it's still uncool!) He didn't know that i've been doing my homework! Mostly through the good graces of the Moderators here! So thanks again friends for keeping me from pumping myself full o shit!=gr)
Big A...you mentioned that if I bake this shit I could at least kill some of the bacteria contained in the preparation. Is this the same process i read about in an earlier post by BBA? 200deg for 20mins twice with a needle in the vial? + I understand i'll need to double up on the dose. If I can make it safe can I go ahead and get my cycle rolling with this stuff till the quality(true sus&deca) arrives?

[testalot]

just cook it. make sure the top of the stopper doesnt darken. that is the first sign you fucked up. cooking is done a lot and you should have an easy time wtih it. good luck.

[Bigbadasian]

|---[\\\\]>------- OR you can just run it through a filter and into another sterile vial from our "kit friend"--you can even do it thruogh 2 filters if you have the time!

[Ry Roid]

You should always get what you ordered but, sometimes sources can't get what you want on time and make certain substitutions. He should have asked you first but, maybe he thought you wouldn't care. Don't sweat it and just hit it hard and fucking train your balls off and you will be good to go.

RY

[hannibal]

there have been times a source could not get x, and i said yes, switch it for x2. i agree, this happens. sometimes the source has a source who has a source who lied. shit happens.

[Growing Dad]

I do so appreciate u guys being so totally cool.
I know u all must get sick of playing nursemaid and teacher for newbies like myself. I feel fortunate to have come across your site and hope I can help someone like you've all helped me.
I'm tempted to post a picture of my sloppy ass self on here and then another later on so you can see how bad i needed your help, and what type of results i accomplish. But i'll spare myself the humiliation of the the before pic for now! Cuz it ain't pretty!
I'll post a pic later when i'm well on the road to the cartoon freaky body i'm after! let it be known i'm 6'2" and currently 227lbs of mostly skinny and jelly belly(as my kids poke at it and giggle).
o the shame!
Growing Dad

[willk]

i love reading posts like yours. you are a great guy, and that is why you are getting great help and attention by mods etc. A guy who is not cocky, gets help. The situation you found yourself in is very common. it happened to me recently, however i requested it. I know my source was having a few probs with his source, and he was behind because his mule got popped, so i offered to take lesser quality gear. because he is one cool mother fucker. so i helped him help me. It really depends on the situation. But, i think you got dicked! glad to hear you told em whats up. I'd hate to hear what he charged you.

T200, on the net is $50 or under
Nor200 $60 and under

ghetto street prices

T200 $100 - 120
nor200 $150 - 200

what a fucking rip off. street prices suck my dirty ass.