EPO

[Cycled1]

What is EPO? i over heard this huge guy saying he was starting EPO before his contest. is this some kind of secret?

[SizeMatters]

Known Name Brands: Erythropoietin, Epogen

Epogen or EPO comes in 2000, 3000, 4000, and 10,000 IU vials. EPO is an injectable protein hormone that acts on bone marrow to stimulate red blood cell production. This is a new drug which is being experimented with by some elite athletes especially distance runners and elite cyclists. It was developed for patients suffering aneniia due to disease. It has been very effective for what it is designed for and sometimes is used as a replacement for blood transfusions. Athletes use this drug to dramatically increase red blood cells which are the oxygen carrying components of blood. Athletes are well aware that if they can increase the oxygen-storing ability of their blood they can increase performance. This is the theory behind blood doping. EPO does the same thing but is more convenient considering the use of EPO just requires a number of injections. Blood doping requires drawing out approximately a liter of blood, freezing it, then thawing it and reinfusing it several weeks later.

Unfortunately, EPO has some serious dangers associated with it. It is suspected to be the cause of over half a dozen deaths amongst a circle of elite Dutch cyclists. EPO has a dramatic effect on hematocrit which is the percentage of red blood cells in blood. A hematocrit of 40 means that 40% of the volume of blood is composed of red blood cells which is about normal. Athletes not uncommonly have a higher-than-average hematocrit. When an athlete injects EPO, there hematocrit can rise as much as 40%. This results in an especially high concentration of RBCS. The danger sets in when this hematocrit level gets too high. At this point, blood could literally 'clog up' an artery leading to a vascular disaster in the form of a heart attack stroke, cardiac failure, or a condition called pulmonary edema; this is a form of water logging of the lungs because of left ventricular failure. The potential for arterial accidents becomes even greater when an athlete gets dehydrated. Obviously, marathon runners and cyclists lose large amounts of fluid during competition. This loss of fluid can raise the concentration of hematocrit even more, increasing the risk of a fatality. EPO use is most widespread amongst endurance athletes yet a number of weightlifters have been experimenting with it. Effective Dose: Between 50-300 IU/kg of bodyweight. Not to be used for more than 6 weeks. Will start seeing effects after week 2.

[Lift4life]

I happend to get a whole bunch of this stuff and was wondering if anyone has ever used it before? Any answers would be really appreciated.

thx

[Ry Roid]

Yes, have used it for some time now. I usually will use when dieting or in between courses to keep healthy. I use 1000iu's EOD for about 4-5weeks. You should take a blood thinner w/ it too or you could have some problems.

RY

[Lift4life]

Thanks for the info what would you say is a good thinner?

[marky]

Everyday aspirin thins the blood. Im curious now about Procrit
and if they are prescribing it for anything but cancer treatment
patients.

[Lift4life]

Well, I know that people who are anemic from kidney disease and various other health problems use it.

[mantus]

Garlic is a good blood thinner.Aspirin is hard on liver,probably not good while on gear or really any other time

[Ry Roid]

You have prolly seen the countless commercials for Epogen on TV. That is EPO and it helps out people w/ Anemia.

RY

[KingKong]

In what you have, it says an effective dose is 50-300/kg of bodywt. MY question is that the total dose at once or is that spread out throughout the week.

[faster]

Good dose is about 100 iu/kg spread out over three injections weekly. sub-q

good stuff...

[Ry Roid]

I usually use 1000iu's EOD for 4-6 weeks. Anymore than that and my blood gets as thick as fucking cottage cheese.LOL

RY

[Armageddon]

I know Animal has alot of info on this on his board.

[raybravo]

yes , bump for info on epo on animal's board , goes into a lot of detail , but for a normal aas user , i think oxymetholone with its RBC increasing qualities , along with using correct quantities of iron and vit b12 will be satisfied , but ofcourse epo has its own benefits pre contest .

[bigmusclz]

what effect does EPO have on blood pressure. seems like it would make it sky high. i dont know much about it really, just curious. whats the main effect of EPO, greater blood volume? does it keep you pumped? fill me in.

[mantus]

I bought 2 bottles a few months ago,but i never used them.they are still in my fridge.It's an endurance drug.I believe Animal is a cyclist,so it's around him,but it has no real benefit for building muscle.Sure,it increases red blood cells,gives more oxygen to muscles so they can repair and last longer...blahh blahh blah so does AAS.If your about to run a 60mile marathon,then i would say get some and try it out,but if your looking for muscle,i say save your money for Test.

[rAJJIN]

doesnt it help to make you more vascular for showday?
ive never used it and heard little about it but i thought it
was to help pull out the veins.

[mantus]

I'm sure anything that increases red blood cells would,but there are better things for that

[rAJJIN]

well fill me in Mantus. lets hear your tips tricks and secrets.
but wait arent you the guy that said all test is the same
wether it be suspension or enanthate you said theres no differance rite? lol

[apowers3]

Up for Vein

[biotec]

Originally posted by Lift4life
Thanks for the info what would you say is a good thinner?

I'm sure there is something on the market for that..maybe in the vitamin shop ect.
But i do know that pot will thin you're blood out...
Hope it helps....
Biotec...ROTFLMAO

[mantus]

Originally posted by rAJJIN
well fill me in Mantus. lets hear your tips tricks and secrets.
but wait arent you the guy that said all test is the same
wether it be suspension or enanthate you said theres no differance rite? lol

When the hell did you post this response,i didn't get the e-mail.All test IS the same once it leaves the ester molecule.it's all about timming.The ester doesn't change the action of the test.Let's take Test Suspension for example:You inject 100mg ED.Since it has a very short halflife your not going to have a very high peak at any given time.Now,let's take Sust:You inject 500mg/week.After about 3-4weeks,your going to have a much higher Test level in your blood than you will from the 100mg/day Suspension.Sure Suspension hits faster,which is why it's great for strength,but from just 1 shot/day,your not going to get that same peak as you would with the longer acting esters.I understand that different results are achieved with different esters,BUT that's just a matter of timming,as i said before.

[mantus]

So,please show me an article that tells how different esters act.

[rAJJIN]

[I understand that different results are achieved with different esters,BUT that's just a matter of timming,as i said before. [/B][/QUOTE]

Exactly what ive been trying to get across to you.
so obviously they dont all do the same thing.

[mantus]

It all started over at Immortal when you told Freak and i that the Ester changes the action of the Test.It's the timming that sets them apart. We agree? OK fine no more arguing.Thank you for the help with the Syntherol.I liked it,but i stopped for now.I'll probably use it again during the Adrol cycle or maybe after the honeymoon