Site Injection

willk · #1 (**permalink**) 04-06-2002, 01:17 AM

I just wanted to say a little bit about site injections. Seems a lot of body builders are using this technique in hopes of bringing up weaker body parts, or to swell the show off muscles like the bi’s.

Well, I’m here to tell you that site injecting in hopes for increased size in that muscle maybe pointless unless you are using ester free gear.

The temporary swelling that occurs from drugs like sustanon are not going to result in permanent size.

What you are actually doing is increasing the risk of getting an infection in a site like bi, tri, or calves. You don’t want an infection there, it may lead to a hole in your muscle after the infection is removed.

So how can it work? It’s simple, once I explain the ester.

The esterified steroids you inject are useless at binding to the receptor until the ester is removed. Once the ester is removed the steroid is now active (can bind). What does this have to do with site injections? EVERYTHING.

The place where 98% of the esters will be removed is in the blood stream. 2% in the muscle cell. The enzymes which remove the esters are found in the blood stream.

So when you inject a drug like deca, it has to be taken from the injection site, into the blood stream where the ester is removed making it active, USEFUL to the growth process.

So, when the gear is active, it’s in the blood stream, now every muscle has as good chance in using (binding) the steroid. The steroid will bind with the androgen receptor, making a hormone-receptor complex, then enters the cell nucleus, where it binds to DNA, and activating specific genes. (you grow)

How do we increase the muscle at the site injection, that lagging calf, or weak tri… it's very simple.

Want the answer? It’s ester free gear.

If the ester is already not present, then the steroid can bind directly with the androgen receptor of that muscle, giving that muscle the first crack at it.This will help to bring up those muscles that are having a harder time binding.

Types of drugs to use. Winstrol injectable, Testosterone Suspension, Liquid Anadrol, Injectable Dbol........

One myth is that if you use oral (ester free) steroids with DMSO over the muscle in question it will increase that muscles size, and that muscle will get first crack at the steroid. This is not going to happen. DMSO releases the drug into the blood stream, then the drug gets distributed from the blood stream, and every muscle has the same chance of using the steroid.

Orals are ester free, dbol, anadrol, etc... You can crush the tablets in sterile water, sterilize the whole mixture, and administer.Please don’t do this unless someone very knowledgeable is with you to show you how to do it! This practice is dangerous, and can do more then cause infection. There can be serious sides when going with site injections with oral/liquids.

Be safe. remember to study an anatomy chart well before ever injecting. injecting in ares other than the buttocks increases risks of many factors. be carefull, and make sure you know what you are doing before injecting. seek out a medical doctor or someone who can help you if you do not have the proper injection procedures understood.

This is a highly debatable issue. this is only my opion based on 'self study.' I thought i would post it and see what people thought.

xcelbeyond · #2 (**permalink**) 04-06-2002, 01:27 AM

Great info willk! :kickass:

xcelbeyond /t\

willk · #3 (**permalink**) 04-06-2002, 01:28 AM

thanks bro. i am sure people will be on the flip side of the issue, and question me, but this is just my opinion. it always worked for me anyway ?)

1bigAlien · #4 (**permalink**) 04-06-2002, 01:37 AM

is tren ester free? kind of right?

xcelbeyond · #5 (**permalink**) 04-06-2002, 01:49 AM

Well - I've been seriously at this game for the better part of 17 years. It's not like I have a fetish for big biceps! I've only measured my arms pumped and the largest I've ever managed to get them is ~17-1/8". Now my triceps are MUCH larger than biceps and big delts make my bis disappear even more!

I don't want to hear people start preaching to me about working out better/smarter. The poundages I push for my weight are more than most (not even considering age).

I've read enough info to believe that seo allows the muscle fascia to stretch and grow. While swelling is temporary, it does expand and "allow for growth" that wouldn't otherwise occur.

I'm glad willk straightened out the difference about esters - it is noteworthy info.

Now seo isn't just shoot it in and watch 'em grow - maybe it is for some but not for this bro - WTF!!! I have gone as high as 120ml/wk in my biceps. No problems with lumps or funny shape.

After "several" weeks of daily injections, they are starting to grow/swell. They finally measured 17-3/4" the other day - pumped. I just figure that "slow" gains will mean more permanent gains.

This week I'm gonna add some "help" w/Nolitol. I'll report what happens.

xcelbeyond /t\

NAPALM1 · #6 (**permalink**) 04-06-2002, 05:04 AM

steroids after injection, whether they are esterfied or not, have to be absorbed into the blood stream before they can become active and act on a cellular level. They will not, and can not act directly on the muscle they are injected into. All AASs are synthetic copies of testosterone although some are altered to exhibit different effects. There is an extremely small amount of test in our systems that exists in a free state where interaction with cellular receptors is even possible. The rest is bound to SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin) and albumin. These two blood protiens temporarily prevent the hormones from exerting activity. The distribution of testosterone in men is typically 45% bound to SHBG and 53% bound to albumin. Leaving 2% of endogenous androgens that is active at any given time, in an un-bound free state where activity with cellular receptors is possible. Binding protiens serve a vital role in the transportation and functioning of androgens. They protect the steroid from rapid metabolism, ensure a more stable blood hormone concentration, and facilitate an even distribution of the hormones to ALL of the organs in our bodies (yes, muscle is an organ). Some steroids have a higher affinity to bind and stay bound to SHBG. Proviron, for example, is a poor androgen for muscle growth, but it binds to SHBG many times more avidly than testosterone or other androgens. So, more testosterone will be un-bound from SHBG at a much higher rate than Proviron when both are used (stacked). This is where the myth that Proviron clears receptors came from. It doesn't clear receptors, it just takes up more space in SHBG! Drugs like Anadrol and Dbol have an extremely low affinity to bind and stay bound to SHBG, this is why they are such potent androgens. Site injections are clearly not the effect of the drug injected into a specific muscle. This is clearly supported by several studies (especially in Germany) on binding protiens and androgenic cellular activity. Site injections are the same idea as using site enhancment oils. They stretch the facia in the muscle, and cause localized swelling. Creating more room for inter-muscular growth, as the liquid is absorbed into the system. Drugs like winstrol and suspension work well because even afer the drug is absorbed there are still crytalized molecules left in the muscle. After several injections of these compounds into the same muscle, there is a buildup of these crystals. These crystals take a longer period to be absorbed than oils, so the muscle remains larger for a longer period of time. As the crystals are absorbed slowly, muscle can grow in its place. This is exactly what products like synthol do!!! This has been proven in a few studies using ultra-sound technology. Which, by the way, will probably be used in the futre to test competative BBers for site enhancement use!! If anyone wants the names and dates of the studies to back this all up, I will gladly post them, although you will have to find these studies yourselves. Later

Cyclone · #7 (**permalink**) 04-06-2002, 05:18 AM

steroids after injection, whether they are esterfied or not, have to be absorbed into the blood stream before they can become active and act on a cellular level. They will not, and can not act directly on the muscle they are injected into.

after stating this you dont really back it up. you go on to talk about natural test etc. can you prove this with any info. i think if i inject aas into my body and it goes into the mucle....... wouldnt injecting it there be a better way to ensure the absorbtion of that muscle? i think willk gave a good explaination of what happened step by step, can you counter it with a step by step of why it doesnt work, and how it really does work? i find this topic of interest. hoefully the people who disagree with this can give a good example, or reason why this cant work. i have tried this as willk stated, and i believe winny was the reason for my arm growth, and the reason i was able to catch them up to the rest of my body. and they staed bigger 8 months since that cycle. so i am a believer myself. by the way, i used winny eod in my bi.

NAPALM1 · #8 (**permalink**) 04-06-2002, 05:27 AM

If you read the bottom of my post, I said I would post the names and dates of the studies that back it up bro. And I never talked about natural test at all. If I wrote everything down that I have read on this subject, it would take me hours to type it out. Everyone has their ideas and beliefs on every subject there is as far as AAS is concerned. Personally, I have used medical and university studies to come to my beliefs. Later

Cyclone · #9 (**permalink**) 04-06-2002, 05:36 AM

There is an extremely small amount of test in our systems that exists in a free state where interaction with cellular receptors is even possible. The rest is bound to SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin) and albumin

this is the part i thought you were refering to natural test. your points were rapidly made, i guess i was confused some what. true, there are many beliefs. i didnt mean to anger you, if i did i am truely sorry. i understand now why you think the way you do though: "I have used medical and university studies to come to my beliefs." i used my own real world study on my own body. maybe this is genetic or something. maybe some muscles only respond well when bombarded by steroids by site injections for some of us. for now though, i will say that this method worked for me. i am not sure if that means anything or not, but it worked for me bro. and i hear many people state it didnt do dick for them, so who knows. maybe its genetic potential or something.

Cyclone · #10 (**permalink**) 04-06-2002, 05:38 AM

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Originally posted by 1bigAlien
is tren ester free? kind of right?

nope. acetate is just like the ester propionate

NAPALM1 · #11 (**permalink**) 04-06-2002, 05:58 AM

Bro, you didn't upset me, lol. Thats what these forums are for... To learn from others, and get differing opinions. All AAS are syntheticly altered forms of testosterone, and they are all used by the same receptors. Even with introduced androgens, there is still only a small amount that exists in a free state and can act on a cellular level. By manipulating our hormones and raising androgen levels in our blood streams, more SHBG and albumin is created to accomidate the raised levels, actually thyroid drugs will also increase these protiens, this is why T3 is so effective when used in a cycle. The more of these protiens, and the higher the amount of androgens that are bound to these protiens, the more that will be existing in a free state and interacting with cellular receptors. If an androgen, of any kind, is not first bound to one of these protiens, it is metabolized and is completely useless. So, any AAS injected into a certain muscle can not act on a cellular level with the muscle it is injected into. If this was true, we would have asses the size of a barn!!! Later

MarkoPolo · #12 (**permalink**) 04-06-2002, 06:09 AM

you guys are way smarter than i am but wouldnt the ass get used to it quick like we do? the recpetors would get saturated and used to gear. after each cycle we respond less. and if ester free gear is needed, how much ester free gear do we put in our ass ed, or eod? so maybe that explains it somewhat. this issue is informative, but that "ass like basketballs" is always used. now i see that it is ester free stuff that may or may not help and this 'ass basketball' theory doesnt add up to me anymore. but i get the idea of making that point.

this is a great post. to bad all posts cant be this informative. if they were, there would be no sales on anabolics 2002 lol.