Thread 1 - Steroid Question

Nick007 · #1 (**permalink**) 04-03-2002, 03:56 AM

hi guys,

I was just wondering....

I just spent the last hour or so reading through all the discussions on what steroids to use, how to use them and stuff...i was just wondering if you guys have considered the health risks? I mean all you guys are well read and know a hell of alot about stuff so surely all of you (or most of you at least) have done some serious researching into what steroid has the least risks and is the safest to use with the best results. So are there any safe steroids? and if I was to start steroids for the first time in my entire life...what would be the safest rout and the most effective to take?

Im not considering taking roids now! im just say it might become an option for me later in life - maybe when im near my 30's and havent made any substantial gains.

Thanks
Nick

willk · #2 (**permalink**) 04-03-2002, 04:08 AM

it is good that you are reading. thats very good. remember, the list of sides are somewhat confusing because they list all the sides. they do not usual tell you which roids cause what sides (in general) IMO a person could use primobolan, for example, for 1 whole year at 600mg a week and have absolutely no sides (maybe acne). but if a guy did the same thing with anadrol, for example, they would shit out their liver. you have to understand that we "CYCLE" roids. get on them, get off them, and change to another one before the negative effects build up. the more you read the better choices you will make. remember, when thinking of how unsafe roids are, ask yourself, where are all the dead bodies?

Nick007 · #3 (**permalink**) 04-03-2002, 04:16 AM

ok but i was actually thinking of "long term" side effects of steroid use. What really puts me off steroids is the fact that when u stop it ....you loose of your new found muscle mass....

i was on creatine last year...for about 4 weeks.....
In the first two weeks of using it I went from 60kg to 72kg (muscular body weight)...my arms were an inch bigger, and so were my calves...but as soon as it stopped it 2 weeks later....after about a month....I lost all my new found mass....because it basically pushed water into my muscles giving the illusion of muscle mass...so something like that could be a put off..

Currently im on just a protein supp...and thats it...a few vitamines but nothing special...i intend on using a good diet plan and training regimen to make some serious gains.....

Thanks for the advice....from what I read, D-Ball seems to be quite popular and effective, What do u think?

Cheers
Nick

#4 (**permalink**) 04-03-2002, 04:57 AM

Keep reading Nick - that's what I've been doing lately. Shit, I think I'm suffering from info overload now!!! :)

From my research - it appears that those that give you extremely rapid gains during the cycle are the ones with the higher sides and there's less of a chance of keeping the gains. Of that's not strictly true...sustanon or deca for eg, gives you reasonable gains, not too many sides and a good chance of keeping the gains. Dbol (as you mentioned) is certainly a mass plus...but all the gains don't stay. The reasons for stacking.

Of course, this is just what I've learned from my reading. I'm still working out my first cycle - best let the mods/vets give ya more 'pratical' insight!!

Just my 2 cents...

SizeMatters · #5 (**permalink**) 04-03-2002, 05:03 PM

ok but i was actually thinking of "long term" side effects of steroid use. What really puts me off steroids is the fact that when u stop it ....you loose of your new found muscle mass....

First off Nick... kudos for doing some research....

Secondly, your statement is a HUGE MISCONCEPTION, Bro!! You DO NOT lose your muscle when you come off. That is a myth. Guys lose some size and strength when they come off, but that doesn't mean you are losing the muscle that you just gained. That's foolish. If you continue to train and diet properly, you won't lose your gains.... maybe some water weight... but not your muscle mass. I have been off for over a year and I am bigger and stronger than I was when I came off my cycle!!

And lastly, in my opinion, there are no long term side effects from steroid "USE"... only from steroid ABUSE. There is a BIG difference, my friend. Now, I'm not the biggest AS advocate in the world ... don't get me wrong.. I was natural until age 30 and I have only experimented a little with them. If you understand how they work, and use them intelligently, and not abuse them, they can be a positive advantage. Side effects are often determined by your genetics... some people are prone to acne or gyno or baldness, so steroids can accelerate those problems. Some people don't have any problem with side effects at all. It's kind of luck of the draw...... but I guarrantee your odds increase if you abuse them.

Peace.

WCP · #6 (**permalink**) 04-03-2002, 07:35 PM

Having a good doctor and being HONEST with him is one of the best things you can do for yourself if your going to use.

I get bloodwork done before every cycle and a short period after every cycle.

I have my liver, cholesterol, natural test levels and blood pressure checked regularly. Thyroid checks are also a good idea if your going to use substantial amounts of T3.

Its very refreshing to see someone really reading and learning and not just jumping into something they know nothing about.

peace,
WCP

preist943 · #7 (**permalink**) 04-05-2002, 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SizeMatters
ok but i was actually thinking of "long term" side effects of steroid use. What really puts me off steroids is the fact that when u stop it ....you loose of your new found muscle mass....

First off Nick... kudos for doing some research....

Secondly, your statement is a HUGE MISCONCEPTION, Bro!! You DO NOT lose your muscle when you come off. That is a myth. Guys lose some size and strength when they come off, but that doesn't mean you are losing the muscle that you just gained. That's foolish. If you continue to train and diet properly, you won't lose your gains.... maybe some water weight... but not your muscle mass. I have been off for over a year and I am bigger and stronger than I was when I came off my cycle!!

And lastly, in my opinion, there are no long term side effects from steroid "USE"... only from steroid ABUSE. There is a BIG difference, my friend. Now, I'm not the biggest AS advocate in the world ... don't get me wrong.. I was natural until age 30 and I have only experimented a little with them. If you understand how they work, and use them intelligently, and not abuse them, they can be a positive advantage. Side effects are often determined by your genetics... some people are prone to acne or gyno or baldness, so steroids can accelerate those problems. Some people don't have any problem with side effects at all. It's kind of luck of the draw...... but I guarrantee your odds increase if you abuse them. hats off to you bro i think the same way

Peace.