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Old 11-02-2001, 03:43 AM
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Site Enhancing Oils - a 'how to' guide

The most popular now are synthol/PumpnPose, Syntherol, EsikClean, Nuclear Nutrition Site Oil and Liquid Muscle.

synthol/PumpnPose is the original product. As such, it charges a lot of money and it's the most expensive variant as it relies on it's name to sell it - the cheapest found is $249.95. There must be a lot of fakes out there since the inventor of it, Chris Clark, charges a wholesale price of $150 per bottle (and that's for large quantity), so there's no way that some outfits can retail it for $100. www.meso-morph.com

Syntherol is my favourite by far. It seems to work better with less pain and quicker (don't take my word for it, ask around) PLUS is the only one that I know of that is made by a real pharmaceutical company, so guaranteed sterile. It's the same formula as synthol/PumpnPose, with added silica, which is a safe way to make the gains more 'permanent'. Plus, it's cheap - $129.95. www.synthetek.com

EsikClean - same formula as synthol, but it has colagen added. That makes it a very bad choice to use in my opinion. When you use site oils, the biggest problem is the formation of scar tissue. You don't want any scar tissue build up when you use site oils. Scar tissue is colagen buildup due to the trauma caused to the muscle by sticking a needle in there. As such, I would not help the build up of scar tissue in the muscle by injecting colagen. So, that's a bad choice. $100 - www.synthol-direct.com

Nuclear Nutrition Oil - is a very good product, which works quite well. It's exactly as Syntherol, plus the addition of a small amount of prohormones. I am not a big fan of prohormones due to the reason that they will give you more side effects than benefits. Also, because of the prohormones, you cannot import it into countries like Canada or Australia, where prohormones are illegal. Still a good product - $149.95 www.nuclearnutrition.com

Liquid Muscle - same as PumpnPose, but at $199.95 per bottle. However, I can't find too much about it and about who makes it, as it seems as a small outfit and as such I have trouble trusting it 100%, especially when I am supposed to inject their stuff into MY body. www.liquidmuscle.com

There's a few other brands, but the above are the most well known. The other brands available, I personally would not trust since they come from very small outfits, so you don't know whether they are sterile or just mixed together in somebody's 'bathtub'.

I personally have used Syntherol, PumpNPose and NN Site Oil. They all seem to work similarly results wise. PumpNPose is MUCH thicker than the other two and it's harder to inject. Syntherol hurts the least once it's in the body - gives the least amount of soreness.

Site oils can be used for two purposes - to increase the size of a muscle or to shape a muscle.

To increase size, lets use the biceps for example. You need to inject in EVERY head of the muscle, while rotating the shots daily within that head. This is the only way to ensure that the added size keeps to your natural look/shape of the muscle. The quickest way to get a muscle up to maximum size is to do the following regimen: 1ml for 10 days in each head of the muscle. 2ml for 10 days. 3ml for 10 days. If you do both, the biceps and triceps simultaneously, you can add up to 3" on your arms in those 30 days. Now, this is VERY IMPORTANT!!!: you HAVE to massage the area that you just injected SEVERELLY! You have to make sure that there's no lump forming. The muscle should always be soft. You should NEVER have a lump. It is also a good idea, to inject just before going to the gym, so as soon as you get to the gym, you should do a couple light weight, high reps sets for that muscle, to get the blood moving. This again will minimise lump formation. You have to keep in mind, that as soon as lumps form because you did not massage, scar tissue will form as well. You want to avoid scar tissue at all costs. Also, to minimise scar tissue build up, use VERY small needles, like 25g or 26g, inch or 1inch long (depending on the injection site) and inject VERY slowly. If you find that you cannot keep with the lump build up, but you are due for another shot, wait until, by massaging, the lump goes away (it should not be more than a couple of days) and then resume from where you left off.

If you have all the size you wish and just want to shape the muscle, as adding a peak on the biceps, then inject the spot, in the peak of the muscle, with 1ml every day or every second day until you obtain the peak that you desire.

What I recommend to people that are just starting out using these oils is to use 1ml per head of muscle per day, or every second day, for a week or so and see how they react to it. That way they can judge how many ml they can use per muscle head and how often.

Where to inject Great pictorial guide is here: www.howtodoinjections.com Read the seo pictorial guide.

BICEPS inner and outer head. You can feel the 'split' in between the two heads of the biceps when you feel with your other hand. Inject on each side of that. If you want to increase the length/thickness of the bicep, inject more in the inner head (closer to your body). If you want to increase the peak, inject more in the outer head.

TRICEPS You don't need to inject in the outer/horseshoe head, unless it is really lacking behind. You inject in the middle and rear heads of the triceps. Generally, at the back of your arm, the upper portion is the rear head and the lower portion is the middle head, as the two heads overlap each other somewhat.

DELTOIDS just inject straight into whatever head is lacking in size.

CALVES Natural calves, no matter how big the are, have a 'flat' look to the muscle. So you want to keep that look, you don't want to have your calves looking round like someone stuck an air hose in there. So, you inject in multiple shots, on the outside edges of the muscle. That will make the calf go outwards, while keeping the flat, natural look.

QUADS With muscles this large, you need to do multiple daily injections. Where in the biceps you use 1ml per head per day to begin with, on quads you need to start with 1ml per site, 7 sites per quad. That is to avoid the 'lumpy' look and keep the quad uniform. Again, to keep the natural look of the thigh, you should inject in the 'peak' of the outer quad, injecting along the crest. If the teardrop is lacking, then just inject straight into it, rotating sites daily. I personally don't recommend quad shots, especially teardrop, due to the very high amount of nerves in the area.

I strongly recommend that you get some anatomy charts and study the muscles and the nerves that are in the area that you want to inject.

How do Site Oils work? To begin with, they do not stay in the muscle for 3 to 5 years. They get dissipated within months. However, during this time, they have stretched the fascia of that muscle. The fascia is a great constrictive factor in muscle growth. The more stretched the fascia is the more the muscle will grow and the more it will have that 'popping' look. Site oils stay in there long enough for the fascia to stretch. As they dissipate, the 'space' left by them is replaced with new muscle tissue growth. That is the reason why when x-rays where performed on some of the people that have 25"+ arms, there was no oil found in there. The oil dissipated and it was replaced by real muscle. The principle is the same as the one behind site shots with steroids, but it works at a much a larger degree, because the Site Oils take that much longer to dissipate.

Pain obviously, any site shot hurts. The pain will minimise the more you inject, until it will not hurt any more. Site Oils hurt, but not as much as site injections with, lets say, Sustanon. However, as I said, they will hurt less and less the more you use them. I currently put all my Sustanon in my biceps and I get no pain what so ever because the biceps are used with having stuff injected in them.

Dangers Site Oils are safe, if certain precautions are taken, same as when injecting anything else. You always have to aspirate. Always! You DO NOT want the oil to go in a vein. Always massage the area after the shot so scar tissue build up doesn't occur. And most importantly USE COMMON SENSE! If you have 16" arms, don't think that you will have 23" in 5 weeks! Because if you try that, you will end up with deformed looking muscles and you will be the laughing stock of the world, like Greg Valentino. Site Oils are there to help you break past a plateau. If your genetics indicate that you are 242 with 5% bf, but you only have 18" arms, then Site Oils will help you bring your arms in proportion. All that I am saying is that Site Oils are there to aid the work that you do in the gym, not replace it!
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how long...
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Old 11-03-2001, 03:12 AM
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how long...

is usually necessary to stretch the fascia nearly permamently. say i use it for 5 weeks in arms with...about like 2-3 cc per head like 5 days a week, and then stay on my cycle to build muscle for 4 months longer or so, would...this result in muscle...from the space, or is more time needed in order to create the stretch?

sorry if this was unclear...
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The time that it takes to stretch the fascia is totally an individual thing.
It depends on how tight/flexible you are to begin with.

Generally, the longer you stay on the more your gains will be permanent.

5 weeks on and 4 weeks off or more and then repeating is agreat way to gain lots of inches and keep them.
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Big A is right on...
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Old 11-03-2001, 05:09 PM
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Big A is right on...

...all accounts but, the thing I really agree w/ is to massage the shit out of it for 10-15min after. I have done bicep shots years ago and didn't do that and there was a ball for weeks. Now all my shots are done before my evening shower where I put LOTS of heat on the area and massage it then go downstairs to put a massager on the area on low. It helps a lot.

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Old 11-11-2001, 06:43 AM
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ill be trying this in about 2.5 weeks will make some reports on the results...can't wait! using the synthol will allow me to take off gear for a little while...lol maybe 6 weeks...
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Old 11-20-2001, 04:33 PM
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I made this thread a sticky as I am getting way too many questions about the Syntherol and most of those questions are answered in this post.
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good info
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Old 11-21-2001, 12:47 AM
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good info

i like how you talk about all the oils and do not sounds bias, even though i know you seem to like Syntherol the best. Good podt IMO. and cool to link all the companies.
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Good info Big A.
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That is a great post BigA. Lots of useful information. I've never tried any of the site oils listed except for Syntherol. It was worth it because I am quite impressed with the results so far. PB
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Do you think that adding suspension would really make a diference in conjunction with site oils?
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Do you think that adding suspension would really make a diference in conjunction with site oils?
I've done a bit of research to try and find the answer to this question, so this is based on that and personal experience. Adding AAS with seo tends to make it get absorbed into the system SLOWER that if injected separately.

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Agreed. That's what I believe as well.
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This is pretty new to me. So your saying is that you take the oil and inject it. At the website it says topical use. I've been around AS for awhile but not this stuff
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This is pretty new to me. So your saying is that you take the oil and inject it. At the website it says topical use. I've been around AS for awhile but not this stuff
Correct - as this article states, inject appropriately

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why would it be so important to stretch the fasci ?.As i understood it that is the connective muscle covering between the skin and the muscle. Wouldnt there be better results if you could stretch the epymisium (sp) of the muscle. Am I flawed in my understanding of this?
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here's my update, this sat i will been on for 2 weeks, i first started
doing the bi's and tri's and delt, and i noticed that the oil was being used up fast. i have about 15ml left and i only been doing the bi's, i need to order another bottle, i think to really see some gains you must do the tri and bi's together. i'm going to order again next week, will keep you posted.
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Old 10-11-2002, 03:18 AM
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why would it be so important to stretch the fasci ?.As i understood it that is the connective muscle covering between the skin and the muscle. Wouldnt there be better results if you could stretch the epymisium (sp) of the muscle. Am I flawed in my understanding of this?
The fascia is one th emost constrictive factors to maximum muscle growth. A 'loose' fascia allows one to have much larger muscles that 'pop'. Look at the flexible bodybuilders muscles compared to the 'stiff' ones. Flex's muscle's 'pop' more than anyones and he is the most flexible pro bodybuilder out there.
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here's my update, this sat i will been on for 2 weeks, i first started
doing the bi's and tri's and delt, and i noticed that the oil was being used up fast. i have about 15ml left and i only been doing the bi's, i need to order another bottle, i think to really see some gains you must do the tri and bi's together. i'm going to order again next week, will keep you posted.
You do need a lot of oil to do it properly. For the 'best' program you need 6 bottles - 5 to be used in 4 weeks and 1 for maintanance. Then that will give you a permanent gain of a couple of inches on your arms. Also, the tightness of the fascia to begin will depend on the amount of gains you get. Tight fascias will results in less gains while people that are more flexible to begin with (looser fascias) get more gains. The two extremes to the above program that I know off are one guy put on 3/4" in the time frame while another 3.5" in the same time frame. Most people fall in between, with most getting about 2" to 3 " in 4 weeks.
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Great article, but theres no guide or price on obtaining in the UK. Is there any good links or people you can recomend i can obtain this through that you know??
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Great article, but theres no guide or price on obtaining in the UK. Is there any good links or people you can recomend i can obtain this through that you know??
Go to www.synthetek.com They have a UK distributor, or at least they used to have, not sure. If they don't, contact admin@synthetek.com as they ship all over the world.
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Thanks Big A im waiting for a reply!!
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Is it possible to use synthol in your chest? Also, Esik Clean has a silica gel formula, as well as collagen...its also very cheap on e-bay, and I ordered some, its legitimate..
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Is it possible to use synthol in your chest? Also, Esik Clean has a silica gel formula, as well as collagen...its also very cheap on e-bay, and I ordered some, its legitimate..
Way to many people have had bad reactions with Esiklean - infections, etc. That's what Milos used and ended up in hospital, and it had nothing to do with injecting in a vein.
Just because somehting is cheaper it doesn't mean that it's better, especially when we are talking about your health.
Only use Syntherol, PumpNPose or Nuclear Nutrition Site Oil.

You can certainly use seo in your chest. But you have to do lots of injections daily, to cover the entire pec area, so you can lift the entire muscle. Remember, the pecs are 'flat' muscles so you have to inject all over to get a proper effect and keep it look natural, otherwise it will look lumpy.
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