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can steroids really help you get cut?
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Old 03-30-2002, 09:06 PM
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can steroids really help you get cut?

there is so much talk. is any of it true? can they or cant they help lean you out?
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Old 03-30-2002, 09:16 PM
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Well the main thing is that it helps you keep muscle while dieting. Also just adding muscle(which steroids do well) will help you burn more calories ed. I have seen some say drugs like fina supposedly increase IGF-1 and leads to fat loss. I will say though when I was on fina and oral masteron I did lose fat while ganing muscle.
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Old 03-30-2002, 09:19 PM
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yes they can if you diet restrict cals to loose weight youl drop muscle too roids can help so you dont but unless your entering in a show theres not much point in dieting cause youl limit the growth when your lookin to put on size you need lots of food to grow 20in arms cant be built on a banana a day lol so yes they can lean you out but what are you trying to do cause you didnt say
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Old 03-30-2002, 09:19 PM
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Mainly, diet and cardio is what gets ya cut. Gear helps support the body through that process.
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Old 03-31-2002, 02:38 AM
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Diet is the key to cutting. There are many misconceptions about the term "cutting" and/or "cutting cycle." There are types of gear that may facilitate the process as jstrong suggested. ie tren, GH. There are really no specific "cutting" or "bulking" gear it has to do with diet. The resond that some gear gets the label "cutting gear" is becuase it has very low water retentive properties which is obviously good for a pre-contest or cutting cycle. Also, like bigkraut says the gear during a cutting cycle is for mainly keeping the body out of the catabolic state that a restricted diet places us in. Basically, you can cut on anything if you adjust your diet accordingly. (pre-contest water reduction not withstanding) Here is a piece of a small article I wrote on the subject a while ago that may help understand the processes of the body (simplified):


There are 3 states of the body for our purposes. These really all revolve around cortisol exclusively:

1. Anabolic state- a state which is conducive for muscle hypertrophy. Alot of the effects of anabolism, when dealing with steroids, is actually caused because of the blocking of cortisol receptors, which because cortisol is a steroid also(corticosteroid) the structure is very similar to that of anabolic steroids which make them an effective anti-catabolic.

2. Homestasis- a state where there is neither growth nor atrophy. Neutral.

3. Catabolic state- a state in which cortisol levels cause the muscle fibers (and other tissues) to be metabolized thus, causing muscle atrophy.

Now depending of the amount of gear and your diet will determine which state your body will be in. This is often the biggest mistake I see when guys are planning their "cutting cycle." I see, very often, guys using alot less gear for their cutters because they "are not trying to build mass." Well the problem with this is that it took whatever amount of gear during your bulking cycle to attain that amount of muscle mass, regardless of BF% as we are just dealing with muscle mass here, so I beleive that at least the same amount is needed to maintain it while dieting, if not more. It is very important that you stay out of the catabolic state if you are to try and keep all that hard earned muscle. There are no magic figures as all metabolism is different and we all have differing amounts of LBM. But, I reiterate, that your bulking cycle is the best indicator of how much you need. You grew on that amount (hopefully) so you were in an anabolic state. Now together with restricted cals and cardio ect. you hope that you will at least be able to avoid the catabolic state by using the same amt. It depends on the individual, as I said. This is where knowing your body and how you are reacting to different things comes into play. I know myself that often time I can feel during my workouts that my cals are too low and often results in some loss of strength. This is a great indicator that your body is in the catabolic state but most of the time this is very late in the process so, try to see other signs that you would know better than I before this happens. I know what they are for myself but I don't think I can list them as a blanket statement that would apply to everyone.


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Old 03-31-2002, 02:42 AM
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i think having more mass allows you to be cut easier. steroids help in that. but taking steroids and doing nothing else would actually make you fat in most cases. the conversion into estrogen would make you crave food, and store fat. deca would make a lard ass out of you in no time
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Old 04-01-2002, 02:47 AM
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bbforlife,

why do you say "deca" will make one a fat ass?

the estrogen conversion of deca is only 20% than that of testosterone.

deca is much more resistant to the active sites of aromatization, like adipose tissue.

..this is what william llewellyn says at least. I loose fat easy on deca, it's the t I'm on most.

do you get fat on deca?...just curious. It's my favorite a.s. I love how I never get side effects and it takes my joint pain away.

But I am girl! I know one a.s. may be good for one sex and bad for another.
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Old 04-01-2002, 04:14 AM
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Estrogen conversion? I thought progesterone was the danger with deca.
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Old 04-01-2002, 10:06 PM
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Hi bk!

Anabolics 2000 says deca" is believed to have some activity as a progestin"

Progestin can cause sides simular to estrogen. but regular testosterone is 80% more likely to turn into straight estrogen than deca. so deca's "some progestin" sounds like a better choice than testosterone's "80% more estrogen".

the book also says" many consider deca to be the best overall steroid for a man to use when weighing the side effects and results"...it also mentions low water retention and it being used in pre-contest cutting stacks....so it doesn't sound like a Lard-ass drug.

if it is making men fat I want to know so I wont recommend it any more to guys that ask what I take.

I recommend it for women though. It's gotten me big and I still look very feminine...in my humble opinion..lol!
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Old 04-02-2002, 12:16 AM
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Believe me, Big Girl, nobody will ever mistake you for a male! You're 100%, grade A, all american cheese cake!
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Old 04-02-2002, 05:14 AM
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yea but if you do get some prog gyno. what are you going to take to combat it?... Test you have many options to combat estrogen...
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Once you get to 10% bodyfat
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Old 04-03-2002, 01:12 AM
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Once you get to 10% bodyfat

For me once I got to about 10% bodyfat I look great everywhere except my abs/love handles. Those I need to get down to 6-8% for them to be somewhat ripped, except when I do that I start sacrificing alot of muscle. I've been using a product called Shredgel from protogenex.com for a few weeks now. It's a topical yohimbine product, but seems to be working, my wife notices and my pants are looser around the waist. They've got a few supplements I use, their G3-R liquid glutamine peptides are great.
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Old 04-03-2002, 02:22 AM
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Believe me, Big Girl, nobody will ever mistake you for a male! You're 100%, grade A, all american cheese cake!
yes, and i would like a slice!
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