My 1st Cycle Layout

[D00fy]

Week1-10 400mg test
week1-10 400mg eq
week1-4 20mg dbol (OPTIONAL,STILL THINKING ABOUT THIS)
week13-clomid therapy

--Stats--
height 5'9
weight-160ish
lifting 2 1/2 years soon to be 3 in june


okay here is the particular cycle i have in mind,still researching and will continue researching
i chose 1androgenic AS(TEST) and 1anabolic AS(EQ)
i chose test enanthate since its a slow acting ester unlike sus250 the blood level wont be stable,i chose EQ for its effects, highly anabolic and only moderate androgenic and also it aromatizes very poorly.

I will have arimidex throughout the cycle at .25mg starting a week before the cycle,novadex on hand if i witness symptoms of gyno and clomod for post theraphy starting at week 13

I will also be taking liver protecters,kidney protecters and prostate protects..

Diet -I wont follow a meal to meal plan(NOT TO SURE YET) as long as i eat 300-350g protein a day and a good amount of complex carbs 150-200g and good fats about 60g, and since EQ inhibits more hunger il be more than glad to eat protein to increase my overall benefits

GOALS:to gain muscle ,ballpark figure of 25-30 hopefully,not to go over 13-15% bodyfat since i gain fat very fast and it took me a year to get down to 11% about, Maintain the muscle


please take into consideration,i am still researching my 1st cycle

[Trentbolone]

"ballpark figure of 25-30 hopefully"

add the dbol. trust me, you will not be disapointed at all with dbol. it is one of the best, if not best roids out there. it works for everyone. you will grow fast on it.

[D00fy]

sweet

[preist943]

if this is your first clcle i think your useing way to much what u have listed looks like a 4th or 5 cycle once youv sceen what works best for you bro if your onley 160 and never used gear your going to put on 12-20 pounds nomatter what you use i have a few cycles under my belt and right now all i do is 300mgs of eth and a 10mg d-ball a day cut in half im 3weeks in and put on 9 pounds plus i dont think at 160 with 11%bodyfat you have the receptors to handle that much gear i would hate to see you waste it remember gear is like lifting more is not always better also if you put on 30 pouns in 10weeks your going to have some nice new marks that wont go away good luck bro hope to hear from you again and see how its going

[TimeOff]

yes, that is a little much for a newbie

[D00fy]

what do u mean by nice new marks? stretch marks??

so should i go with test 400mg and dbols??

[Cyclone]

i would do the EQ and d-ball for a first cycle

[D00fy]

what kind of marks does he mean?

[Cyclone]

stretch marks

[xcelbeyond]

I would suggest just getting enough Arimidex to do 1mg ED, but only use 0.25mg ED. At low doages, you may not need any (but then again I'm paranoid as I'm VERY suseptible to e-related gyno). I would not get the Nolva (not necessary). Just up the Ari to 1mg ED if you get itchy nips and slowly cut it back it down to 0.5mg ED.

xcelbeyond /t\

[D00fy]

crap stretch marks ,do they go away?

[preist943]

yes i ment stretch marks the eq and d-ball would work better althoe test is king for size eth cyp or prop the prop calls for more injects thoe usualy 2 times a week t400 will work well since its a combo like sus 250 but youl have to mix it to water it down unless your into pain d-ball with one of thoes longer acting tests would do a better job than eq but this is just what i think im sure youl get beter answers from people who know alot more than me take care

[xcelbeyond]

Originally posted by D00fy
crap stretch marks ,do they go away?

These are the bodybuilder's "battle scars." If you plan on growing fast, expect to get them somewhere!

xcelbeyond /t\

[D00fy]

how about i lose the dbols and do test/eq

? are the "BATTLE SCARS" that bad and also they wont appear on my face right?

[xcelbeyond]

Originally posted by D00fy
how about i lose the dbols and do test/eq

? are the "BATTLE SCARS" that bad and also they wont appear on my face right?

Test and dbol is a VERY popular 1st cycle :1book:

The common places for stretch marks are around the armpits, inside of thighs (i've got both of those) and biceps.

xcelbeyond /t\

[D00fy]

oh i thought i was gonna get stretch marks all over my body ,like my back chest ,my face..........

[TonyStarks]

D00fy,

I think your cycle is a good one bro, don't worry too much about the stretch marks and do make sure you have nolva on hand just in case.

If you're mixing oils you're looking at two jabs per week. I don't think it is too big a cycle for a newbie but you could get away with less if you wanted too.

[D00fy]

sweet,u think 100 10mg nolvadex tabs enough?

[TonyStarks]

That should be plenty bro. Likelyhood is you wont need them but I'm sure you will do more cycles so it's always good to have some in reserve.

[Passedyouup]

That is plenty enough nolv. That looks like a good beg. cycle to me, but then again I like high dosages. I didn't think that those are high dosages at all, but since everyone else seems to think so, I guess I will agree. (For future reference)Stretch marks are great, don't fear them! Just wait till you get them on your forearms, chest, and back! Just tan the stretch marks and they will look a whole lot better. I look like a big stretch mark!

[D00fy]

hehe as long as they come on my face il be happy:)

[Big Moose]

Well you put in the time doing the research, learned a great deal and came up with a nice little cycle. Looks good to me, except like stated above don't count on .25mg arimidex working for you. Everyone is different and better be safe than sorry. Have enough for 1mg/day. Also, if you start at a low dose of arimidex (.25mg) and all of a sudden you get very bloated and/or gyno, adding more arimidex is necessary to block future estrogen, but will not do anything for the excess estrogen already in your system. This is why you should have nolva on hand just in case. Good Luck

[D00fy]

il probably do .50mg eod,thx for the input:)

Mission #1 Accomplished-Did research 24/7 holy crap i feel like a super newbie geek

Mission #2 S**** hunting:)

[xcelbeyond]

Originally posted by D00fy
il probably do .50mg eod,thx for the input:)

Make sure you stay on the Arimidex all the way through (including the time in-between) Post Cycle Clomid Therapy.

I'm currently on ~600mg prop (along w/~600mg EQ) and taking 1/3mg liquidex (no problems in 7 weeks). I still think 0.5mg of Ari is not necessary on those doses, but it's your learning experience - we're all different (remember, I'm the paranoid one about e-related gyno).

xcelbeyond /t\

[D00fy]

hehe thx